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What does morals have to do with the government taking away your freedom?

Do you think the Jews in Auschwitz were immoral? Maybe some of them were, but does that mean that 4 million others had to lose their freedom and ultimately die because some oppressive regime decided they didn't like what they stood for?

Ordinary Germans gave up their basic rights under the "brown shirts" of the Nazi party. The Chinese don't have the right to view "controversial" information because their government is oppressive. North Koreans are denied basic rights such as food because of a government that controls EVERTHING they can and can't do, see, hear and almost think. Most North Koreans are brain washed because of it.

Again I am not against filtering.
I am against an oppressive government putting in place what could become a tool to suppress ideas they deem I should not be able to read and/or see.

The State is about control. Be extremely worried when the State becomes rabid in trying to implement something to stop you thinking. They are trying to control you. They will dress it up using some platitude or concern of the day only to take it much further than you ever imagined it would go.

If you decide to give up your freedom to have the illusion of freedom consider this: prisoners in jail have the best security around them - yet they have no freedom.

Me - I choose freedom and with it, personal responsibility.

Those that are for MANDATORY government filtering must, by definition, wish to control other people. They are as much part of a Fascist thought process as the government. They cannot and will not think for themselves. They have already given up their freedom and refuse to take personal responsibility for their actions, preferring the nanny state to look after them.

To those who want or are uncertain about mandatory filtering, I say commit a crime and go to jail - the nanny state will look after you there and you will certainly have security and you will get your internet really well filtered ,along with your mail, personal belongings, meals etc etc etc.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance - Thomas Jefferson.

<blockquote data-quote="lakemac" data-source="post: 544227" data-attributes="member: 5065">What does morals have to do with the government taking away your freedom?Do you think the Jews in Auschwitz were immoral? Maybe some of them were, but does that mean that 4 million others had to lose their freedom and ultimately die because some oppressive regime decided they didn&#039;t like what they stood for?Ordinary Germans gave up their basic rights under the &quot;brown shirts&quot; of the Nazi party. The Chinese don&#039;t have the right to view &quot;controversial&quot; information because their government is oppressive. North Koreans are denied basic rights such as food because of a government that controls EVERTHING they can and can&#039;t do, see, hear and almost think. Most North Koreans are brain washed because of it.Again I am not against filtering.I am against an oppressive government putting in place what could become a tool to suppress ideas they deem I should not be able to read and/or see.The State is about control. Be extremely worried when the State becomes rabid in trying to implement something to stop you thinking. They are trying to control you. They will dress it up using some platitude or concern of the day only to take it much further than you ever imagined it would go.If you decide to give up your freedom to have the illusion of freedom consider this: prisoners in jail have the best security around them - yet they have no freedom.Me - I choose freedom and with it, personal responsibility.Those that are for MANDATORY government filtering must, by definition, wish to control other people. They are as much part of a Fascist thought process as the government. They cannot and will not think for themselves. They have already given up their freedom and refuse to take personal responsibility for their actions, preferring the nanny state to look after them.To those who want or are uncertain about mandatory filtering, I say commit a crime and go to jail - the nanny state will look after you there and you will certainly have security and you will get your internet really well filtered ,along with your mail, personal belongings, meals etc etc etc.The price of freedom is eternal vigilance - Thomas Jefferson.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="lakemac, post: 544227, member: 5065"] What does morals have to do with the government taking away your freedom? Do you think the Jews in Auschwitz were immoral? Maybe some of them were, but does that mean that 4 million others had to lose their freedom and ultimately die because some oppressive regime decided they didn't like what they stood for? Ordinary Germans gave up their basic rights under the "brown shirts" of the Nazi party. The Chinese don't have the right to view "controversial" information because their government is oppressive. North Koreans are denied basic rights such as food because of a government that controls EVERTHING they can and can't do, see, hear and almost think. Most North Koreans are brain washed because of it. Again I am not against filtering. I am against an oppressive government putting in place what could become a tool to suppress ideas they deem I should not be able to read and/or see. The State is about control. Be extremely worried when the State becomes rabid in trying to implement something to stop you thinking. They are trying to control you. They will dress it up using some platitude or concern of the day only to take it much further than you ever imagined it would go. If you decide to give up your freedom to have the illusion of freedom consider this: prisoners in jail have the best security around them - yet they have no freedom. Me - I choose freedom and with it, personal responsibility. Those that are for MANDATORY government filtering must, by definition, wish to control other people. They are as much part of a Fascist thought process as the government. They cannot and will not think for themselves. They have already given up their freedom and refuse to take personal responsibility for their actions, preferring the nanny state to look after them. To those who want or are uncertain about mandatory filtering, I say commit a crime and go to jail - the nanny state will look after you there and you will certainly have security and you will get your internet really well filtered ,along with your mail, personal belongings, meals etc etc etc. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance - Thomas Jefferson. [/QUOTE]

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