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Actually it is people talking about the issues, both positive and negative that drive change, as can be seen on multiple fronts e.g climate change and shareholder activism, gay rights, distasteful and poorly directed Govt policy.

So in your opinion I shouldn't be negative about the issues that I've raised, that's an interesting perspective, so we as investors shouldn't be demanding a change of direction and more value adding industries be developed, we should just shut up and accept our fate?

Obviously we have different underlying beliefs, so be it, put me on ignore.

P.S I'm not always negative and I don't think all pollies are useless, if you look in the Western Australia thread earlier today I was actually singing the praises for Mark McGowan, so it isn't as though I don't give credit where I think credit is due.

It's just I want to see my grandkids, have as good a future as I had and I don't believe the current trajectory is going to produce that.