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The NBN that the taxpayer put in to replace the copper, so that the telco's could charge us twice as much for the internet we had before and we have now had to write off a $30bn debt the telco's were meant to pay back. Also as was stated in the early days 5G is fast become the preference for people. Nation building or an expensive brain fart, which will end up just putting free to air t.v onto a paid internet service, so those who don't wish to have the internet may end up losing decent free to air t.v.
Also, as I said in the early days of the NBN, the only saving grace for the NBN may well be the fact that it was done as fibre to the node, rather than fibre to the home as the fact the nodes could be transformed into 5g/6g transmitters may have future proofed it to a degree.

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.afr.com/companies/telecommunications/nbn-warns-on-fixed-wireless-threat-20221202-p5c33q[/URL]
NBN Co says it is increasingly at risk from fixed-wireless alternatives offered by major telcos, arguing it is at a serious cost disadvantage and under siege from increasing investment by smaller players in major cities.
This references efforts by Telstra, Optus and TPG Telecom, which NBN says are all advertising comparable fixed-wireless services at anywhere from $5 to $15 less than its similar fixed-line option.
Fixed-wireless services are seen as a way for telcos to fatten anaemic home internet margins where NBN dominates. With a fixed-wireless service, telcos bypass the NBN and offer internet service over a mobile signal like 5G
Former NBN chief technical officer Gary McLaren said it had taken a long time for NBN to react to this emerging threat.
“But the competition from fixed wireless is now clearly recognised as a big risk to the business and that’s appropriate,” Mr McLaren told AFR Weekend.
NBN’s pricing paper also revealed the government-owned company would no longer seek to recover the full $44 billion sunk into the initial build and instead would only claw back $12.5 billion from retail internet providers.

Or the NDIS, that all and sundry have been ripping off, but until now no one could do anything about it, as it would have been a political attack on those most needy, but now it is o.k. as it is no longer a political attack but a review and audit.
Nation building, or outsourcing what really should be done by a government body and government workers?
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-09/bill-shorten-vows-to-track-down-ndis-rorters/101633484[/URL]

The Snowy hydro despite yourself and myself thinking it is an essential piece of infrastructure, it has its fair share of critics as we know, I don't think it is seen as nation building piece of infrastructure yet. Despite our thoughts.
[URL unfurl="true"]https://reneweconomy.com.au/snowy-2-0-rapidly-turning-into-10-billion-white-elephant-experts-say-91248/[/URL]
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-14/snowy-hydro-2.0-expensive-and-wont-deliver-energy-expert/11594768[/URL]
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.smh.com.au/national/five-years-on-snowy-2-0-emerges-as-a-10-billion-white-elephant-20220310-p5a3ge.html[/URL]

But hey everyone has their own take on everything, if everyone saw those P.M's as icons of leadership, they would have held their positions for longer IMO.
Did any of them do two full terms?

<blockquote data-quote="sptrawler" data-source="post: 1203831" data-attributes="member: 28038">The NBN that the taxpayer put in to replace the copper, so that the telco&#039;s could charge us twice as much for the internet we had before and&nbsp; we have now had to write off a $30bn debt the telco&#039;s were meant to pay back. Also as was stated in the early days 5G is fast become the preference for people. Nation building or an expensive brain fart, which will end up just putting free to air t.v onto a paid internet service, so those who don&#039;t wish to have the internet may end up losing decent free to air t.v.Also, as I said in the early days of the NBN, the only saving grace for the NBN may well be the fact that it was done as fibre to the node, rather than fibre to the home as the fact the nodes could be transformed into 5g/6g transmitters may have future proofed it to a degree.[URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.afr.com/companies/telecommunications/nbn-warns-on-fixed-wireless-threat-20221202-p5c33q[/URL]NBN Co says it is increasingly at risk from fixed-wireless alternatives offered by major telcos, arguing it is at a serious cost disadvantage and under siege from increasing investment by smaller players in major cities.This references efforts by Telstra, Optus and TPG Telecom, which NBN says are all advertising comparable fixed-wireless services at anywhere from $5 to $15 less than its similar fixed-line option.Fixed-wireless services are seen as a way for telcos to fatten anaemic home internet margins where NBN dominates. <a href="https://www.afr.com/link/follow-20180101-p5ajgh" target="_blank">With a fixed-wireless service</a>, telcos bypass the NBN and offer internet service over a mobile signal like 5GFormer NBN chief technical officer Gary McLaren said it had taken a long time for NBN to react to this emerging threat.“But the competition from fixed wireless is now clearly recognised as a big risk to the business and that’s appropriate,” Mr McLaren told AFR Weekend.NBN’s pricing paper also revealed the government-owned company would no longer seek to recover the full $44 billion sunk into the initial build and instead would only claw back $12.5 billion from retail internet providers.Or the NDIS, that all and sundry have been ripping off, but until now no one could do anything about it, as it would have been a political attack on those most needy, but now it is o.k. as it is no longer a political attack but a review and audit.Nation building, or outsourcing what really should be done by a government body and government workers?[URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-09/bill-shorten-vows-to-track-down-ndis-rorters/101633484[/URL]The Snowy hydro despite yourself and myself thinking it is an essential piece of infrastructure, it has its fair share of critics as we know, I don&#039;t think it is seen as nation building piece of infrastructure yet. Despite our thoughts.[URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://reneweconomy.com.au/snowy-2-0-rapidly-turning-into-10-billion-white-elephant-experts-say-91248/[/URL][URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-14/snowy-hydro-2.0-expensive-and-wont-deliver-energy-expert/11594768[/URL][URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.smh.com.au/national/five-years-on-snowy-2-0-emerges-as-a-10-billion-white-elephant-20220310-p5a3ge.html[/URL]But hey everyone has their own take on everything, if everyone saw those P.M&#039;s as icons of leadership, they would have held their positions for longer IMO.Did any of them do two full terms?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="sptrawler, post: 1203831, member: 28038"] The NBN that the taxpayer put in to replace the copper, so that the telco's could charge us twice as much for the internet we had before and we have now had to write off a $30bn debt the telco's were meant to pay back. Also as was stated in the early days 5G is fast become the preference for people. Nation building or an expensive brain fart, which will end up just putting free to air t.v onto a paid internet service, so those who don't wish to have the internet may end up losing decent free to air t.v. Also, as I said in the early days of the NBN, the only saving grace for the NBN may well be the fact that it was done as fibre to the node, rather than fibre to the home as the fact the nodes could be transformed into 5g/6g transmitters may have future proofed it to a degree. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.afr.com/companies/telecommunications/nbn-warns-on-fixed-wireless-threat-20221202-p5c33q[/URL] NBN Co says it is increasingly at risk from fixed-wireless alternatives offered by major telcos, arguing it is at a serious cost disadvantage and under siege from increasing investment by smaller players in major cities. This references efforts by Telstra, Optus and TPG Telecom, which NBN says are all advertising comparable fixed-wireless services at anywhere from $5 to $15 less than its similar fixed-line option. Fixed-wireless services are seen as a way for telcos to fatten anaemic home internet margins where NBN dominates. [URL='https://www.afr.com/link/follow-20180101-p5ajgh']With a fixed-wireless service[/URL], telcos bypass the NBN and offer internet service over a mobile signal like 5G Former NBN chief technical officer Gary McLaren said it had taken a long time for NBN to react to this emerging threat. “But the competition from fixed wireless is now clearly recognised as a big risk to the business and that’s appropriate,” Mr McLaren told [I]AFR Weekend.[/I] NBN’s pricing paper also revealed the government-owned company would no longer seek to recover the full $44 billion sunk into the initial build and instead would only claw back $12.5 billion from retail internet providers. Or the NDIS, that all and sundry have been ripping off, but until now no one could do anything about it, as it would have been a political attack on those most needy, but now it is o.k. as it is no longer a political attack but a review and audit. Nation building, or outsourcing what really should be done by a government body and government workers? [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-09/bill-shorten-vows-to-track-down-ndis-rorters/101633484[/URL] The Snowy hydro despite yourself and myself thinking it is an essential piece of infrastructure, it has its fair share of critics as we know, I don't think it is seen as nation building piece of infrastructure yet. Despite our thoughts. [URL unfurl="true"]https://reneweconomy.com.au/snowy-2-0-rapidly-turning-into-10-billion-white-elephant-experts-say-91248/[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-14/snowy-hydro-2.0-expensive-and-wont-deliver-energy-expert/11594768[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.smh.com.au/national/five-years-on-snowy-2-0-emerges-as-a-10-billion-white-elephant-20220310-p5a3ge.html[/URL] But hey everyone has their own take on everything, if everyone saw those P.M's as icons of leadership, they would have held their positions for longer IMO. Did any of them do two full terms? [/QUOTE]

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