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I don't think the take over of Ukraine is on the table, however the Dombass(sp?) and Crimea might be goners.


Perhaps we could take them back but at what cost. These are Russian speaking and Russian cultural areas of the Ukraine largely supportive of being part of Russia (and I stand to be corrected on that).


Is it worth nuclear winter or perhaps several million deaths in a traditional ground war? Additionally there are several other political considerations in the conflict which are not so clear cut as presented to we plebeians. Most people fly flags and put the Ukrainian flag in their X profile with absolutely no freaking idea of all the considerations in that particular conflict. It's just because the political establishment / media have told them that Ukraine are the Good Guys.


In truth the political considerations extend well beyond the Ukrainian borders, and you and I are not privy to all of those factors. Vis a vis we actually have no right to have any sort of strong position because we are functionally ignorant.


Now, about that freedom argument?


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