Australia Day

[sptrawler]

Hand me a magic wand Focus... I'd make it two days, if Xmas can have two and Easter.
If we take the 26th Jan, it is a point of delineation, there was no going back.
So if we take 25-26 Jan, The 25 to know what was: 26 aspiration for what can be.

You wish, get on the programme sunshine, at least show you're one of the team.
As I've been saying don't be hypocritical, come on you guys, be true to yourself.

'Change the nation': Invasion Day protesters march through Melbourne

Thousands of people have gathered for an Invasion Day protest in central Melbourne, many calling for the abolition of Australia Day.

www.theage.com.au

As protesters turned into Swanston Street, where the Australia Parade was held only minutes before, they shouted “no pride in genocide” and “always was, always will be Aboriginal land”.

Several held signs reading “Change the date, we still won’t celebrate” with some of the crowd advocating not only for Australia Day to be moved from January 26th, but to be abolished completely.

“We don’t just need to change the date, we need to change the nation,” one protester shouted.

 

[Smurf1976]

Several held signs reading “Change the date, we still won’t celebrate” with some of the crowd advocating not only for Australia Day to be moved from January 26th, but to be abolished completely.

“We don’t just need to change the date, we need to change the nation,” one protester shouted.

That's where it loses the majority.

What's wrong with the basic concept of a national day?

It's hard to come up with a real argument against it unless you're an extreme globalist etc who dislikes the notion that countries even exist. Those who take that view would no doubt the first to scream when they realise it means the obliteration of local culture far more comprehensively than has occurred under present arrangements.

 

[sptrawler]

That's where it loses the majority.

What's wrong with the basic concept of a national day?

It's hard to come up with a real argument against it unless you're an extreme globalist etc who dislikes the notion that countries even exist. Those who take that view would no doubt the first to scream when they realise it means the obliteration of local culture far more comprehensively than has occurred under present arrangements.

You seem to think that a lot of thought processes go on in mobs, they hate establishment, they want change.
Very little thought goes into the fact that not all change is actually for the better, mobs are mobs, not everyone in a mob is there for the same reason.

 

[farmerge]

You seem to think that a lot of thought processes go on in mobs, they hate establishment, they want change.
Very little thought goes into the fact that not all change is actually for the better, mobs are mobs, not everyone in a mob is there for the same reason.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm citizens of the world and rent-a- rabble all need to be shipped out to sea in a very leaky boat.
Hopefully sinks somewhere past the 12 mile limit.

 

[sptrawler]

Getting rid of Australia day, might be closer than people think IMO.
Solomon Islands, Indonesia, Timor-Leste and now PNG, you never know, there may well be a whole new invasion day down the road.

PNG discusses security deal with China despite links to Australia, US

Papua New Guinea will assess if a Chinese offer duplicates security and policing assistance already being offered by Australia and the US, its foreign minister said.

www.theage.com.au

The Australian government is being urged to intervene in negotiations over a China-Papua New Guinea security deal after PNG’s Foreign Minister Justin Tkachenko said one of Australia’s closest neighbours was in early talks with Beijing.

Tkachenko told Reuters on Monday that Port Moresby and Beijing were in early negotiations over a policing deal after deadly riots swamped the capital in January.

“We deal with China at this stage only at the economic and trade level. They are one of our biggest trading partners, but they have offered to assist our policing and security on the internal security side,” he said.

“They have offered it to us, but we have not accepted it at this point in time.”
PNG signed a $200 million security deal with Australia last month to boost policing, and days later Prime Minister James Marape told an investment conference in Sydney that he did not hold talks with China on security when he visited Beijing in October after naming Australia and the United States as security partners.
Reuters reported China approached PNG in September with an offer to assist its police force with training, equipment, and surveillance technology. Tkachenko said PNG would not do anything to jeopardise its defence and security relationships with Australia or the US, and was not a “fence-sitter”.

Xi Jinping Meets with Prime Minister of Timor-Leste Kay Rala Xanana Gusmão

 

[StockyGuy]

Getting rid of Australia day, might be closer than people think IMO.
Solomon Islands, Indonesia, Timor-Leste and now PNG, you never know, there may well be a whole new invasion day down the road.

PNG discusses security deal with China despite links to Australia, US

Papua New Guinea will assess if a Chinese offer duplicates security and policing assistance already being offered by Australia and the US, its foreign minister said.

www.theage.com.au

The Australian government is being urged to intervene in negotiations over a China-Papua New Guinea security deal after PNG’s Foreign Minister Justin Tkachenko said one of Australia’s closest neighbours was in early talks with Beijing.

Tkachenko told Reuters on Monday that Port Moresby and Beijing were in early negotiations over a policing deal after deadly riots swamped the capital in January.

“We deal with China at this stage only at the economic and trade level. They are one of our biggest trading partners, but they have offered to assist our policing and security on the internal security side,” he said.

“They have offered it to us, but we have not accepted it at this point in time.”
PNG signed a $200 million security deal with Australia last month to boost policing, and days later Prime Minister James Marape told an investment conference in Sydney that he did not hold talks with China on security when he visited Beijing in October after naming Australia and the United States as security partners.
Reuters reported China approached PNG in September with an offer to assist its police force with training, equipment, and surveillance technology. Tkachenko said PNG would not do anything to jeopardise its defence and security relationships with Australia or the US, and was not a “fence-sitter”.

Xi Jinping Meets with Prime Minister of Timor-Leste Kay Rala Xanana Gusmão

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As always, politics makes strange bedfellows. It's common knowledge how little regard the CCP has for even slightly exotic Chinese people, especially if they hold "unorthodox" spiritual beliefs; it's not hard to imagine their unguarded opinion of the PNG folk (and their similar neighbours).

 

[sptrawler]

As always, politics makes strange bedfellows. It's common knowledge how little regard the CCP has for even slightly exotic Chinese people, especially if they hold "unorthodox" spiritual beliefs; it's not hard to imagine their unguarded opinion of the PNG folk (and their similar neighbours).

It's also common knowledge the easiest way to undermine a country, is by destroying it's spirit of community and belief in fighting for a pride in being a member of that community.
Now no one knows if they belong, or should just pizz of because they aren't wanted. Lol
Australia's stuffed IMO, there isn't an ANZAC spirit, most of them were invaders, so really we are just becoming a rabble.
But hey it will be interesting to watch.
An absolute mess, most countries the population will give their lives to fight for it, we are making it so that everyone is embassed for being here, that can't work well IMO.
I can see it now, an invasion force comes and everyone saying, hey mate I just work here, I don't have any skin in the game, see the dudes down the road apparently it's theirs. Lol

 

[wayneL]

It's also common knowledge the easiest way to undermine a country, is by destroying it's spirit of community and belief in fighting for a pride in being a member of that community.
Now no one knows if they belong, or should just pizz of because they aren't wanted. Lol
Australia's stuffed IMO, there isn't an ANZAC spirit, most of them were invaders, so really we are just becoming a rabble.
But hey it will be interesting to watch.
An absolute mess, most countries the population will give their lives to fight for it, we are making it so that everyone is embassed for being here, that can't work well IMO.
I can see it now, an invasion force comes and everyone saying, hey mate I just work here, I don't have any skin in the game, see the dudes down the road apparently it's theirs. Lol

It's a malaise common to the whole anglosphere, probably Europe too. Brits and Yanks are are struggling to recruit and get men to wear rainbow lapels.

 

[Smurf1976]

You seem to think that a lot of thought processes go on in mobs

Not really - I'm just highlighting the silliness of it all.

There have been occasions in the past where activists made a good point about something but there was a fundamentally different approach used. It started with recognition of a problem or concern, then a group of people formed to try and do something about it, then they realised they needed to get the message out so needed to use the media, etc.

Versus today it's reversed. It's the media leading the charge or it's a group of people looking for a problem to complain about. It's akin to picking up a hammer then looking for something to bash with it, a sure way to cause destruction.

 

[Knobby22]

I doubt many have any real attachment to 26 January as the date. So long as they get a public holiday, preferably a long weekend, and it's at a time of year when the weather's good then they'll be happy.

Maybe that's the ideal!
No fixed date just a long weekend around a certain time of year. We call it the Australian long weekend.

 

[sptrawler]

@Knobby22 , this is a better explanation of the group of guys on the train wearing hoodies, the media should have used this explanation it makes what happened more logical.
Rather than what they wrote initially, which made it appear somewhat like a random act of victimisation by the authorities.
Over here in W.A there doesn't seem to be the same level of open public dissent, that is obviously happening over your way.

The north-west Sydney tradie leading the state’s neo-Nazis

Self-described “white man of honour” Jack Eltis has a chubby toddler and runs his own business. He also heads the NSW chapter of the neo-Nazi European Australian Movement.

www.smh.com.au

NSW has not experienced the blatant, public neo-Nazi activity seen in Victoria, where members have given the Sieg Heil salute outside parliament, gatecrashed rallies for other causes and intimidated people. Eltis’ comrades have also attacked hikers and a security guard.

Over the Australia Day long weekend there were public incidents in Sydney. On Friday, police detained dozens of black-clad men, many with their faces covered, at North Sydney train station. They included Thomas Sewell, a high-profile neo-Nazi who had travelled from Victoria.
On Saturday night, police broke up a meeting at North Turramurra and another in a park at Artarmon on Sunday morning. Police sources and neo-Nazi watchers could not explain why they chose to gather on the north shore. Eltis has not confirmed he attended either protest, and had not answered questions by deadline.

“This was their first attempt at a big stunt in Sydney,” said independent researcher Dr Kaz Ross, who has been closely tracking the Australian neo-Nazi movement for years. “They’ve brought everyone’s attention to the fact they’re recruiting in NSW and building their numbers.

“Their actions have brought people’s attention to the fact [National Socialist Network] is not just a Victorian problem, it’s a national problem.”

 

[farmerge]

@Knobby22 , this is a better explanation of the group of guys on the train wearing hoodies, the media should have used this explanation it makes what happened more logical.
Rather than what they wrote initially, which made it appear somewhat like a random act of victimisation by the authorities.
Over here in W.A there doesn't seem to be the same level of open public dissent, that is obviously happening over your way.

The north-west Sydney tradie leading the state’s neo-Nazis

Self-described “white man of honour” Jack Eltis has a chubby toddler and runs his own business. He also heads the NSW chapter of the neo-Nazi European Australian Movement.

www.smh.com.au

NSW has not experienced the blatant, public neo-Nazi activity seen in Victoria, where members have given the Sieg Heil salute outside parliament, gatecrashed rallies for other causes and intimidated people. Eltis’ comrades have also attacked hikers and a security guard.

Over the Australia Day long weekend there were public incidents in Sydney. On Friday, police detained dozens of black-clad men, many with their faces covered, at North Sydney train station. They included Thomas Sewell, a high-profile neo-Nazi who had travelled from Victoria.
On Saturday night, police broke up a meeting at North Turramurra and another in a park at Artarmon on Sunday morning. Police sources and neo-Nazi watchers could not explain why they chose to gather on the north shore. Eltis has not confirmed he attended either protest, and had not answered questions by deadline.

“This was their first attempt at a big stunt in Sydney,” said independent researcher Dr Kaz Ross, who has been closely tracking the Australian neo-Nazi movement for years. “They’ve brought everyone’s attention to the fact they’re recruiting in NSW and building their numbers.

“Their actions have brought people’s attention to the fact [National Socialist Network] is not just a Victorian problem, it’s a national problem.”

@Knobby22 , this is a better explanation of the group of guys on the train wearing hoodies, the media should have used this explanation it makes what happened more logical.
Rather than what they wrote initially, which made it appear somewhat like a random act of victimisation by the authorities.
Over here in W.A there doesn't seem to be the same level of open public dissent, that is obviously happening over your way.

The north-west Sydney tradie leading the state’s neo-Nazis

Self-described “white man of honour” Jack Eltis has a chubby toddler and runs his own business. He also heads the NSW chapter of the neo-Nazi European Australian Movement.

www.smh.com.au

NSW has not experienced the blatant, public neo-Nazi activity seen in Victoria, where members have given the Sieg Heil salute outside parliament, gatecrashed rallies for other causes and intimidated people. Eltis’ comrades have also attacked hikers and a security guard.

Over the Australia Day long weekend there were public incidents in Sydney. On Friday, police detained dozens of black-clad men, many with their faces covered, at North Sydney train station. They included Thomas Sewell, a high-profile neo-Nazi who had travelled from Victoria.
On Saturday night, police broke up a meeting at North Turramurra and another in a park at Artarmon on Sunday morning. Police sources and neo-Nazi watchers could not explain why they chose to gather on the north shore. Eltis has not confirmed he attended either protest, and had not answered questions by deadline.

“This was their first attempt at a big stunt in Sydney,” said independent researcher Dr Kaz Ross, who has been closely tracking the Australian neo-Nazi movement for years. “They’ve brought everyone’s attention to the fact they’re recruiting in NSW and building their numbers.

“Their actions have brought people’s attention to the fact [National Socialist Network] is not just a Victorian problem, it’s a national problem.”

Should be outlawed nationally and have a gaol term attached to it also.

 

[wayneL]

Should be outlawed nationally and have a gaol term attached to it also.

Same same should apply for the hammer and sickle

 

[wayneL]

Same same should apply for the hammer and sickle

And the Hamas flag for that matter.

 

[Knobby22]

I think its bad practice to publish their faces to shame them. It can radicalise them further.

 

[SirRumpole]

I wonder if any arrests have been made over the vandalism to Captain Cook's statue in St Kilda?

 

[Sean K]

A pub group in Melbourne is going to ban Australia Day celebrations in ALL their pubs. I think they have some interstate as well.

 

[wayneL]

A pub group in Melbourne is going to ban Australia Day celebrations in ALL their pubs. I think they have some interstate as well.

I've read that the pub group is Chinese owned. Is this true?

 

[Dona Ferentes]

I saw this in AIFM*

"...Australian Venue Co, which owns about 200 pubs and bars across the country, said today it was axing celebrations because the day causes "sadness" and "hurt" for many patrons and staff.

Australia Day celebrations barred at 200 pubs and bars across country

Australia Day parties will be banned from hundreds of pubs next month, after a major hospitality group anno...

www.9news.com.au

*Actually It's Fringe Media

 

[Dona Ferentes]

I've read that the pub group is Chinese owned. Is this true?

In August 2023, it was reported that PAG would acquire KKR's controlling stake in Australian Venue Co for about A$1.4 billion

....PAG is an Asian investment firm that manages multiple asset classes, including private equity, private debt, real estate and hedge funds. It is considered one of the largest private investment firms in Asia

In 2023, Private Equity International, ranked PAG as the seventh largest private equity firm in Asia based on total fundraising over the most recent five-year period