Eggs - a Livestock and Meat commodity

[Mr Flibble]

Don't buy eggs all the time, last time was 12th Feb - Far south coast NSW Woolworths Eggs Free Range 12pk 700g $6.10. Half the space in the shop normally devoted to eggs had tim tams and other assorted chocolate biscuits.

Neighbour used to keep chooks, but she's moved. Don't get nearly as many rats around the joint now.

 

[Sdajii]

this was the suggested English spelling, but I believe it should be homeopathic ...the "dose" might be different....

Homoeopathic is the 'correct' way to spell it, but when enough people get things wrong in the same way, the incorrect becomes correct, and with everything being the mess it is these days, pretty much any spelling for any word is 'correct'.

 

[Sdajii]

The egg shortages and increased prices are quite amazing.

They are strangely restricted to Europe, North America and Australasia, the regions where farming practices are the most hygienic.

I've been based in South East Asia for most of the last 10+ years (spent a few years stuck in Australia when a one week visit coincided with a travel ban over some overblown cold). Every second household here has chickens, I have wandering chickens from local households come into my kitchen (if plucking them wasn't such a task they'd be more welcome), local commercial farming practices are filthy etc, and there is no shortage of eggs, they remain plentiful and cheap. Maybe a little more expensive than they were 10 years ago but no more than keeping up with inflation. I personally mostly eat duck eggs, but quail eggs are also readily available and even goose eggs pop up at the markets (unlike chicken, duck and quail, the goose eggs are from backyards and very expensive, but always have been). No one eats backyard chicken eggs here, they are much more valuable as future scrap eaters, garden pest controllers, and chickens to eat.

Depending on which country in this region I'm in I currently pay about AU$2.50 for a dozen duck eggs and can get chicken eggs significantly cheaper (the price difference is relevant to most locals but at that price I just get what I want). No one in this region is aware of bird flu or egg shortages being an issue anywhere in the world.

I'm not saying there's some conspiracy plot, but there's a big coincidence about Europe, North America, Australia/NZ in three separate corners of the world being hit by egg shortages, everywhere else being immune, and eggs being extremely nutritious particularly in key nutrients relevant to immune function.

Occam's razor says you're a lot more crazy to believe in the coincidence theory than simpler alternatives, but hey, it's a crazy world, believe what you want.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Neighbour used to keep chooks, but she's moved. Don't get nearly as many rats around the joint now.

Thanks @Mr Flibble . I often wondered why my grandmother had her chook house away from the main farmhouse on high clear ground. It must have been to enable the raptors to keep the rats down.

gg

 

[wayneL]

Thanks @Mr Flibble . I often wondered why my grandmother had her chook house away from the main farmhouse on high clear ground. It must have been to enable the raptors to keep the rats down.

gg

We have numerous bait stations here at the Ponderosa. The only rats we see are the very occasional dead one.

We also encourage bandicoots at our place and are very careful that they don't take said baits. I guess we are doing it right because our place is teeming with them, along with much other wildlife.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

local IGA ... not much more than a corner store. Nothing fancy but
$7.99 a doz for free range
$6.99 a dozen for cage eggs.

Some supply but > 2 shelves are empty

 

[Mr Flibble]

We have numerous bait stations here at the Ponderosa. The only rats we see are the very occasional dead one.

We also encourage bandicoots at our place and are very careful that they don't take said baits. I guess we are doing it right because our place is teeming with them, along with much other wildlife.

I really don't like using poisons for pest control (herbicides or pesticides). While I found the spring traps are effective for mice, rat spring traps were a complete waste of time. The rats would leave thank you notes for the free feed. I tried hot gluing an almond onto a few spring traps. They ate both the glue and the almond. The last straw for me was finding rat poo in the engine bay of my car one winter. I splurged and got one of those goodnature rat killing things. Works brilliantly. Cheaper than replacing the wiring in the car...

 

[divs4ever]

Thanks @Mr Flibble . I often wondered why my grandmother had her chook house away from the main farmhouse on high clear ground. It must have been to enable the raptors to keep the rats down.

gg

well at least keep some rodents away from the residence ,

BTW a couple of hens attractively hunt and kill the smaller rodents , am waiting to see if the rooster learns that skill , but a bit of clear ground helps you spot the goannas checking out the eggs

 

[divs4ever]

I really don't like using poisons for pest control (herbicides or pesticides). While I found the spring traps are effective for mice, rat spring traps were a complete waste of time. The rats would leave thank you notes for the free feed. I tried hot gluing an almond onto a few spring traps. They ate both the glue and the almond. The last straw for me was finding rat poo in the engine bay of my car one winter. I splurged and got one of those goodnature rat killing things. Works brilliantly. Cheaper than replacing the wiring in the car...

try peanut paste dabbed over a pumpkin seed for your spring traps

the problem with spring traps is you probably have more rodents than traps set that day

rodents DO learn , science has proven that because we are too dumb to defund stupid science experiments

now two crows are getting friendly ... can i teach the crows to target rodents ( the magpies won't do it )

 

[Craton]

9.90 for a doz 700g is outrageous by E-coast NSW standards Craton. Sorry don't mean to gloat, and there's cost of transport to factor in.

Home brand cage eggs at the duopoly stores here,can still be had for 5.40 doz, but the supply is erratic. Otherwise you're into the free range, and getting up into the 8-9 dollar area.

At 9.90, I'd be buying some layer hens.

Thanks mate and gloat all you want, all good. Pros and cons with both locales and lifestyles.

FWIW.
Grew up with chooks and pigeons. When dad noted how much the spoggy's were becoming an issue, he set up a spoggy trap. Not much meat on a spoggy and a pain to "defrock" but a nice crunchy bbq treat. Oh, and from my POV, pigeon meat is highly underrated.

Last time I kept chooks was in the 90's when the tinlids were growing up but summer heat and winter cold out here, well both can become killers. Unfortunately at the time, both wife and kids were very keen on the eggs but extremely adverse to eating said chooks. More for me but, well, you get my drift.

I may look at keeping chooks when I retire and can afford a decent chook house but for now, with time at a premium and little will to do so, I'll just keep paying through the nose for those tasty bum nuts.

 

[wayneL]

I really don't like using poisons for pest control (herbicides or pesticides). While I found the spring traps are effective for mice, rat spring traps were a complete waste of time. The rats would leave thank you notes for the free feed. I tried hot gluing an almond onto a few spring traps. They ate both the glue and the almond. The last straw for me was finding rat poo in the engine bay of my car one winter. I splurged and got one of those goodnature rat killing things. Works brilliantly. Cheaper than replacing the wiring in the car...

Interesting.

Agree, I don't like using poisons either. However, surrounding properties have had a rat plague and felt forced into it.

Will definitely check out this sort of alternative... Thanks.

 

[divs4ever]

Thanks mate and gloat all you want, all good. Pros and cons with both locales and lifestyles.

FWIW.
Grew up with chooks and pigeons. When dad noted how much the spoggy's were becoming an issue, he set up a spoggy trap. Not much meat on a spoggy and a pain to "defrock" but a nice crunchy bbq treat. Oh, and from my POV, pigeon meat is highly underrated.

Last time I kept chooks was in the 90's when the tinlids were growing up but summer heat and winter cold out here, well both can become killers. Unfortunately at the time, both wife and kids were very keen on the eggs but extremely adverse to eating said chooks. More for me but, well, you get my drift.

I may look at keeping chooks when I retire and can afford a decent chook house but for now, with time at a premium and little will to do so, I'll just keep paying through the nose for those tasty bum nuts.

my family chook pen ( at the home i grew up in ) met an untimely demise because of introduced council by-laws ( first banning roosters in urban areas and then chooks in general citing vermin risks )

and look at the vermin running about in BrisVegas now .. ROFLMAO

but now up on a farm near a tiny village !

 

[Faramir]

Tell me that this idea sounds crazy, very wrong, a conspiracy or completely nuts.
The effect of bird flu on our chicken stock will lead to chickens being vaccinated with new types of vaccines. Currently I am sure that they injected or fed chickens with a variety of “medicines”.
Humans can’t be bothered getting themselves injected with various vaccines related to events that happened 4-5 years ago. So next thing to do is ‘manufacture’ a flu for our food supply. Then only approve selling these foods that have been vaccinated, just as we use to show a “vaccine passport” to work, etc.

I can’t believe what I said. Please shoot down the above “theory”. Tell me that I am absolutely wrong.

At least we know chickens won’t turn against each other like we did roughly 4 years ago. Chickens won’t need advertising campaigns for get the jab.

 

[Sdajii]

Tell me that this idea sounds crazy, very wrong, a conspiracy or completely nuts.
The effect of bird flu on our chicken stock will lead to chickens being vaccinated with new types of vaccines. Currently I am sure that they injected or fed chickens with a variety of “medicines”.
Humans can’t be bothered getting themselves injected with various vaccines related to events that happened 4-5 years ago. So next thing to do is ‘manufacture’ a flu for our food supply. Then only approve selling these foods that have been vaccinated, just as we use to show a “vaccine passport” to work, etc.

I can’t believe what I said. Please shoot down the above “theory”. Tell me that I am absolutely wrong.

At least we know chickens won’t turn against each other like we did roughly 4 years ago. Chickens won’t need advertising campaigns for get the jab.

I see no evidence for it, but it wouldn't be the most crazy thing we've seen in recent years.

Finding an excuse to enforce the use of a product which is extremely profitable to the industry, by giving donations to politicians/political parties so they will put it into government policy, wouldn't be unusual. The product doesn't need to be necessary, safe or effective, we've all seen plenty of evidence of that.

Some of the conspiracies are literally out in the open for all to see without even an attempt at secrecy, but most people still think 'conspiracy theorist' is synonymous with 'crackpot'.

Yes, I realise that while many conspiracies actually do exist, there are plenty of batshit crazy ones too.

If your chicken vaccine hypothesis turns out to be reality, it wouldn't be at all the most alarming issue we are facing at this stage in history.

 

[qldfrog]

I see no evidence for it, but it wouldn't be the most crazy thing we've seen in recent years.

Finding an excuse to enforce the use of a product which is extremely profitable to the industry, by giving donations to politicians/political parties so they will put it into government policy, wouldn't be unusual. The product doesn't need to be necessary, safe or effective, we've all seen plenty of evidence of that.

Some of the conspiracies are literally out in the open for all to see without even an attempt at secrecy, but most people still think 'conspiracy theorist' is synonymous with 'crackpot'.

Yes, I realise that while many conspiracies actually do exist, there are plenty of batshit crazy ones too.

If your chicken vaccine hypothesis turns out to be reality, it wouldn't be at all the most alarming issue we are facing at this stage in history.

"Bird flu" ix a yearly event broughtwith migratory birds, the issue we have now is high density farm..and that is a weak word.
Millions of birds packed together,weak ,young..
These bird flu scare hypes are targetting the small and backyard producers..
The new world/WEF does not wang self sufficient people, they want compliant dependent sheeps ..
And the big boys make the money, not even the farmers!!

 

[divs4ever]

"Bird flu" ix a yearly event broughtwith migratory birds, the issue we have now is high density farm..and that is a weak word.
Millions of birds packed together,weak ,young..
These bird flu scare hypes are targetting the small and backyard producers..
The new world/WEF does not wang self sufficient people, they want compliant dependent sheeps ..
And the big boys make the money, not even the farmers!!

and the answer is to cull the birds in small independently run farms and homesteads ( at least in the UK ) creating a higher proportion of weak ( drug-filled ) tightly packed birds .. just like they want their citizens to be

 

[Sdajii]

"Bird flu" ix a yearly event broughtwith migratory birds, the issue we have now is high density farm..and that is a weak word.
Millions of birds packed together,weak ,young..
These bird flu scare hypes are targetting the small and backyard producers..
The new world/WEF does not wang self sufficient people, they want compliant dependent sheeps ..
And the big boys make the money, not even the farmers!!

There's definitely a clear push to keep people dependent on the system and not be self-sufficient. At times we've even seen things like bans and taxes on home water tanks to ensure people remain reliant on the system.