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i will hoping for le Penn ( and not because she is prettier than Macron )

if they vote Macron again they ( France deserve their fate , because Germany is liable to implode worse than Greece and Cyprus did )
 
divs4ever said:
i will hoping for le Penn ( and not because she is prettier than Macron )

if they vote Macron again they ( France deserve their fate , because Germany is liable to implode worse than Greece and Cyprus did )
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Macron is the Reset candidate, Davos link, worked for Rothschild,alumni of wef Forum of Young Global Leaders.
Went from socialist to right,anything to be in power.
Le Pen is anti globalisation and proud of her country, Reset can not allow Le Pen to win.
If they managed to push Trump in the US, no problem to keep Macron in France, even if a bit of imaginative counting is required.
 
mullokintyre said:
History looks like repeating.
From ABC News
Macron with 27% of the vote and Le Pen with 24% will face off once again for the presidential runoffs.
All of the losing first round contenders have urged their supporters to back Macron, so Le Pen may end up the bridesmaid again.
Mick
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Actually not 100% true, Zemmour with 7% is backing Le Pen but that will not be enough
 
divs4ever said:
i will hoping for le Penn ( and not because she is prettier than Macron )

if they vote Macron again they ( France deserve their fate , because Germany is liable to implode worse than Greece and Cyprus did )
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And French people fo deserve their fate: they have made no strong move against migration and europe for 40y, so they live in their happy socialist lala land..just pity the minority who tried to change....
 
Le Pen must be getting closer to the incumbent macron in the polls.
Why else would the EU drag out 18 year old embezzlement charges against Le Pen right before the next runoff.
From David Icke
Presumably as part of a deliberate effort to derail her presidential chances, the European Union has exhumed 18-year-old embezzlement charges against Marine Le Pen.

“The EU’s anti-fraud body has accused French far-right leader Marine Le Pen and associates of embezzling around 600,000 euros during their time as MEPs,” reports AFP.

The National Rally leader is personally accused of embezzling “around 137,000 euros ($150,000) worth of public money from the Strasbourg parliament when she was an MEP between 2004 and 2017.”

Le Pen’s lawyer Rodolphe Bosselut dismissed the charges, adding that the “timing” of them was suspicious.

Noting that the report relates to “old facts more than ten years old,” Bosselut highlighted how Le Pen “has not been summoned by any French judicial authority” to answer the charges.

“I’m surprised by the timing of such a strong disclosure and the instrumentalisation,” said Bosselut.

The EU has chosen to resurrect the old claims just days before the final round of the French presidential election, in which Le Pen will face off against incumbent Emmanuel Macron.

Although still a long shot, recent polls had shown Le Pen closing the gap on Macron, causing consternation amongst globalist technocrats.
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The first sentence is arguable, they have no proof of the EU motive, but it sure makes for a highly suspicious coincidence.
These allegation have been around for well over a decade, and surface at every election, but no charges have ever been laid by authorities.
It looks like political interference, smells like political interference, sound like political interference, but its actually a duck.
Mick
 
considering the previous activities of Ms Lagarde , i would have thought such allegations would be trivial , but heck standards work great when they are doubled
 
If you add up all the scores of the candidates in the first round which do not want of the EU,you end up well above 60%.
The EU institutions which are the deep state for Europe, unelected, responding to no one, have no choice but to push the WEF alumniMacron.
The EU can not afford for Macron to lose so he will not, at all costs like Biden, but frexit will be in the mind of a huge majority of citizens.once reelected a deepening of sanction on Russia will bring the EU to its knees.it will be interesting time to see how well the west has learnt from China in term of oppressive population management.
 
Emmanuel Macron has won five more years as French president after a convincing victory over rival Marine Le Pen, who nevertheless secured the far right's highest share of the vote yet.
He won by 58.55% to 41.45% (in the second round), a greater margin than expected.
 
divs4ever said:
more unrest to come then
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You will not hear from these or 2ill have a martial law sorry lockdown due to a new pollen hay fever jump in hospital.
Macron no surprise, reelected but only managed to get 58% of vote, note that great vondidering all parti but lepen ask to vote for him
Zemour another nationalist anti globalist an individual wo party, was the only siding with Lepen.
An interesting phase will be the coming parliament election where if votes reflect the presidential vote, le pen and the far left and voice of muslims have the majority if siding.
But indeed it 2as i reckon the ladt opportunity gor frsncd to remain something more than the next Lebanon of Europe.gone and done deal.if you want to see the Eiffel tower, rush.. Notre Dame is already gone
And look with interest the May MP elections
 
short reason, Macron dreams his nuclear reactors can power the majority of the EU , if that fails Germany is a train-wreck , if Germany crashes so do the PIGS

have seen the Eiffel Tower , the Moroccans ( and Algerians ) were rioting back then as well
 

PROTESTS ERUPT IN FRANCE AFTER MACRON’S ELECTION WIN​




that was quicker than i expected , i thought there might have been up to a whole week of relative calm ( wrong again )
 
qldfrog said:
You will not hear from these or 2ill have a martial law sorry lockdown due to a new pollen hay fever jump in hospital.
Macron no surprise, reelected but only managed to get 58% of vote, note that great vondidering all parti but lepen ask to vote for him
Zemour another nationalist anti globalist an individual wo party, was the only siding with Lepen.
An interesting phase will be the coming parliament election where if votes reflect the presidential vote, le pen and the far left and voice of muslims have the majority if siding.
But indeed it 2as i reckon the ladt opportunity gor frsncd to remain something more than the next Lebanon of Europe.gone and done deal.if you want to see the Eiffel tower, rush.. Notre Dame is already gone
And look with interest the May MP elections
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Ffs, i should not type any long post on a smartphone keyboard...
My apologies
 
If of interest:
This is a map of the votes, in blue, LePen, and who ended ahead locally
A mostly country vs city tale reflecting as well the migration/religious vote.
Very society divisive and a clear indicator of an ultra weak support for the current EU model.
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some comment :

Over the past week we have seen the largest weekly increase in the yield differential between German and French government 10-year bond yields… ever.

Yes, even greater than during the European sovereign debt crisis.

A week ago, Macron dropped a Sunday night bombshell when he called for snap parliamentary elections, with first round voting scheduled for 30 June, and the second-round runoff on 7 July.

This followed his party’s disastrous performance in the elections for the European parliament, and the hefty loss to Marine Le Pen’s Rassemblement National Party.

There is no point in speculating why Macron took what is obviously a highly risky electoral gamble.

Did he believe that the opposition would not have sufficient time to organize themselves?

Did he believe that the highly fractured parties on the left of French politics would fail to form a united front in time and end up having to vote for Macron’s Renaissance Party?

Would the prospect of Marine Le Pen’s Rassemblement National Party securing a majority in the National Assembly, galvanize, and unite, the centre and the left to vote against such an outcome.

If this was Macron’s intention, it would appear to have backfired spectacularly.

In the past 24 hours the Greens, the Socialists, the Communists and Jean-Luc Melenchon’s France Unbowed Party have united to form a ‘New Popular Front’ and will field one candidate in each constituency.

And whilst there are 15 days until the first round of voting on 30 June, the various opinion polls suggest that Marine Le Pen’s RN Party is leading with 31%, the New Popular Front on 28% and Macron’s Renaissance Party on 18%.

In the meantime, financial markets have voted by selling everything French, with French banks particularly hard hit.

France’s largest bank, BNP Paribas fell about 13% over the past week, and is down about 20% from its May high..



Financial markets, however, haven’t got the patience to understand the passion and nuances of French political affairs, and decided, if in doubt, get out.

Markets fear a Liz Truss fiscal accident as both Le Pen’s RN Party and the New Popular Front have aggressively expansionary fiscal programmes.

France has a government debt to GDP ratio of about 110% and has been on an unsustainable fiscal path for a long time.

To be fair to France most countries in the developed world have unsustainable debt burdens.

Unfortunately, however, for France, Macron’s Sunday night bombshell has turned the spotlight on French fiscal affairs and set off a chain reaction which could have profound consequences.

Is this the French Butterfly?
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Fund managers around the world have spent the past week thinking about, how bad could it get.

The answer has surprised them.

It could get really bad; really, really bad.
 
Dona Ferentes said:
some comment :

Over the past week we have seen the largest weekly increase in the yield differential between German and French government 10-year bond yields… ever.

Yes, even greater than during the European sovereign debt crisis.

A week ago, Macron dropped a Sunday night bombshell when he called for snap parliamentary elections, with first round voting scheduled for 30 June, and the second-round runoff on 7 July.

This followed his party’s disastrous performance in the elections for the European parliament, and the hefty loss to Marine Le Pen’s Rassemblement National Party.

There is no point in speculating why Macron took what is obviously a highly risky electoral gamble.

Did he believe that the opposition would not have sufficient time to organize themselves?

Did he believe that the highly fractured parties on the left of French politics would fail to form a united front in time and end up having to vote for Macron’s Renaissance Party?

Would the prospect of Marine Le Pen’s Rassemblement National Party securing a majority in the National Assembly, galvanize, and unite, the centre and the left to vote against such an outcome.

If this was Macron’s intention, it would appear to have backfired spectacularly.

In the past 24 hours the Greens, the Socialists, the Communists and Jean-Luc Melenchon’s France Unbowed Party have united to form a ‘New Popular Front’ and will field one candidate in each constituency.

And whilst there are 15 days until the first round of voting on 30 June, the various opinion polls suggest that Marine Le Pen’s RN Party is leading with 31%, the New Popular Front on 28% and Macron’s Renaissance Party on 18%.

In the meantime, financial markets have voted by selling everything French, with French banks particularly hard hit.

France’s largest bank, BNP Paribas fell about 13% over the past week, and is down about 20% from its May high..



Financial markets, however, haven’t got the patience to understand the passion and nuances of French political affairs, and decided, if in doubt, get out.

Markets fear a Liz Truss fiscal accident as both Le Pen’s RN Party and the New Popular Front have aggressively expansionary fiscal programmes.

France has a government debt to GDP ratio of about 110% and has been on an unsustainable fiscal path for a long time.

To be fair to France most countries in the developed world have unsustainable debt burdens.

Unfortunately, however, for France, Macron’s Sunday night bombshell has turned the spotlight on French fiscal affairs and set off a chain reaction which could have profound consequences.

Is this the French Butterfly?
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Fund managers around the world have spent the past week thinking about, how bad could it get.

The answer has surprised them.

It could get really bad; really, really bad.
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And we have to stress out that Macron was no economic wizard in the first place with yearly deficit reaching above 5%, France debt rating already downgraded just before the elections.
Just looking at the existing figures is scary enough even without new government ...Macron, a WEF student, is using this economic scare as a way to try to move the votes away from RN..trouble is:
can the unknown be worse for France than the known undeveloping future in place
The scare tactic has succeeded for the last 30y, and might again, was used with Meloni but failed there...
You can not spend billions on Ukraine, and before that forces in Sahel, welcome 600000 illegal uneducated and jihadist migrants a year, shut down hospitals even during Covid and tax every successful citizen for decades without paying the economic price of modern socialism.
That Wall Street wakes up to the real state of France is a good thing imho
 
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