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Yea, but as someone who doesn't like him and the corruption uncovered it must be said he has built infrastructure which we need desperately. He has a plan and he is doing it.

The Liberal party campaign was terrible, the President Michael Kroger, a right wing person in the mold of Tony Abbott has got to go.
He sued the major doner, a complete fool.
It was good to see Jeff Kennett stating he should resign

I voted Libs but only because I was in a safe Labor seat. I think it is sad that Rupert has effected the party I respect with US Republican values and I expect the Federal election in Victoria will be very interesting.

I saw on TV senior Liberal members stating they had to get the balance back. The Liberal should represent us all and be a broad church.

Malcolm Turnbull was on the right track.
Now we just have Dutton Abbott Abetz Andrews etc. You saw what happened in Sydney and what happened here in Victoria. Abbott is still around. Very hard going forward.
 
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So the comrades got voted back in must say haven't followed the Vic election but superficially the state Libs didn't look or sound great Andrews sounds like a steady hand.
 
IFocus said:
So the comrades got voted back in must say haven't followed the Vic election but superficially the state Libs didn't look or sound great Andrews sounds like a steady hand.
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IFocus said:
haven't followed the Vic election but superficially the state Libs didn't look or sound great Andrews sounds like a steady hand.
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Main comment I've heard / read from others is to the effect that whether or not anyone likes Labor's plans, at least they have plans and are implementing them whereas the Liberals were missing that bit.

Going somewhere is better than going nowhere seems to sum up the thinking.
 
The "Red Shirt" scandal seems to have been forgotten.

I think the shenanigans in the Liberal Party federally is really taking a toll. This was obvious after the Wentworth result, and any excuses about "State issues" are ringing very hollow imo.
 
I have no idea about Victorian politics but a landslide victory to Labor like it is only means that the Liberal Party has absolutely no idea what the public wants or needs. The election results are clear, the people have spoken and it's time to move on. Nothing more needs to be said.
 
Smurf1976 said:
Main comment I've heard / read from others is to the effect that whether or not anyone likes Labor's plans, at least they have plans and are implementing them whereas the Liberals were missing that bit.

Going somewhere is better than going nowhere seems to sum up the thinking.
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I think that pretty well nailed it smurph.
Silly Billy is going to romp it in, and it will take a while for people to understand the ramifications, interesting times. IMO
 
sptrawler said:
I think that pretty well nailed it smurph.
Silly Billy is going to romp it in, and it will take a while for people to understand the ramifications, interesting times. IMO
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Probably longer than it took for people who lost their penalty rates to feel the ramifications
 
Humid said:
Probably longer than it took for people who lost their penalty rates to feel the ramifications
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Agree Humid suspect the election result (damming) was as much about rejection of the Liberals BS right politics (attacking rights/conditions/pay rates of the lowest paid) as acceptance of Vic Labor.

Why would you vote Liberal.....because you are a patriot? Oh sorry wrong country same BS.
 
I'm a Victorian and don't vote Labour.

But I do have to say Andrews was the better politician, it was almost like he had no competition. There were ads on tv with the slogan 'Say what you do and do what you say', that has stuck in my head, I can still hear Andrews voice saying it now. He was by far the better salesman.

And when you look around Melbourne there is stuff getting done. The West Gate Tunnel, Metro Train Tunnel, Cranbourne Train Rail, Level Crossing removals to improve traffic congestion. ...big projects.

I guess when you spend a lot of money (like the labour party has the reputation for) it is easy to sell what you are and going to do.

Most of the scandalous stuff was overshadowed by the stuff being done.

The way Andrews speaks and his campaign made him look like a great leader and know what he's doing, the libs looked like amateur hour.
 
willy1111 said:
And when you look around Melbourne there is stuff getting done. The West Gate Tunnel, Metro Train Tunnel, Cranbourne Train Rail, Level Crossing removals to improve traffic congestion. ...big projects.

I guess when you spend a lot of money (like the labour party has the reputation for) it is easy to sell what you are and going to do.
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This is the first time in decades we've had a state government who are willing to build major infrastructure. Would rather stick with the party which is actually doing it, rather than the other mob who are all talk.

Furthermore, most of us are sick to death of the negative, fear-style campaign favoured by the coalition over recent years. Using the 'red shirts' as a selling point to vote for Guy was absurd. We all know Guy was corrupt as hell in his time as planning minister. Talk a walk around Docklands and see for yourself. Over-developed, oversized apartment buildings full of 40m2 units, sold to foreign investors who have no intention of living here.

Under Andrews those developments were reigned in, and he is instead building infrastructure to benefit the masses. He deserves another term.

About the money....well they are running surpluses at present, the challenge will be a steep fall in stamp duty revenue, on the back of lower house prices. If the population continues to boom the revenue should be there. We'll see how it pans out.
 
PZ99 said:
The forgotten people :)

http://www.liberals.net/theforgottenpeople.htm
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Interesting post PZ99.
Loved this quote:
If the motto is to be "Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow you will die, and if it chances you don't die, the State will look after you; but if you don't eat, drink and be merry and save, we shall take your savings from you", then the whole business of life would become foundationless.
He certainly was a great orator.
 
sptrawler said:
Interesting post PZ99.
Loved this quote:
If the motto is to be "Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow you will die, and if it chances you don't die, the State will look after you; but if you don't eat, drink and be merry and save, we shall take your savings from you", then the whole business of life would become foundationless.
He certainly was a great orator.
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Also
Let me first define it by exclusion. I exclude at one end of the scale the rich and powerful: those who control great funds and enterprises, and are as a rule able to protect themselves - though it must be said that in a political sense they have as a rule shown neither comprehension nor competence. But I exclude them because, in most material difficulties, the rich can look after themselves.

The modern Liberal Party ought to remember that. They even gave Rupert Murdoch a sum of money for no good reason. If they worked for the middle class they would romp it in.
 
Knobby22 said:
The modern Liberal Party ought to remember that. They even gave Rupert Murdoch a sum of money for no good reason. If they worked for the middle class they would romp it in.
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Your right Knobby, the middle class is an endangered species.
 
Junior said:
This is the first time in decades we've had a state government who are willing to build major infrastructure. Would rather stick with the party which is actually doing it, rather than the other mob who are all talk.

Furthermore, most of us are sick to death of the negative, fear-style campaign favoured by the coalition over recent years. Using the 'red shirts' as a selling point to vote for Guy was absurd. We all know Guy was corrupt as hell in his time as planning minister. Talk a walk around Docklands and see for yourself. Over-developed, oversized apartment buildings full of 40m2 units, sold to foreign investors who have no intention of living here.

Under Andrews those developments were reigned in, and he is instead building infrastructure to benefit the masses. He deserves another term.

About the money....well they are running surpluses at present, the challenge will be a steep fall in stamp duty revenue, on the back of lower house prices. If the population continues to boom the revenue should be there. We'll see how it pans out.
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The Libs didn't deserve to win in Victoria and the ALP did.

It's as simple as that.

gg
 


On the Belt and Road for Victorians...

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Neil Mitchell says it’s time Australia started standing up for itself against China.

And international security analysts agree.

While China is Victoria’s largest tourism market and major trade partner, there are concerns over espionage, undue influence over politicians and hacking.

Victoria has signed a memorandum of understanding with China on the Belt and Road initiative.

“I think it’s time to tear that deal up,” Neil Mitchell said.

Michael Shoebridge, director of defence and strategy at the Strategic Policy Institute, agrees.

“I think so,” he said.

https://www.3aw.com.au/neil-mitchells-china-concerns-says-its-time-australia-stood-up-for-itself/
 

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