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I agree, it is a must watch FOR ALL as a perfect example of how propoganda. I pity those sucked in by it.
Here is the same garbage but debunked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=847jCeQoXU8&feature=fvw
World domination by fanatical groups
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I agree, it is a must watch FOR ALL as a perfect example of how propoganda. I pity those sucked in by it.
Here is the same garbage but debunked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=847jCeQoXU8&feature=fvw
Sdajii
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As with many situations, here, one side gives an exaggerated version of the story, the other side counters with an exaggerated version/stance in the opposite direction, and no one tells it as it is, or if they do, they are not listened to, because the real story is not as exciting as the exaggerations.
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The West doesn't have the ticker to stop the advance of the jihad.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...win-for-islamic-terrorism-20100719-10hqz.html
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...win-for-islamic-terrorism-20100719-10hqz.html
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Well said Sdajii :iagree: ...I believe that the world is merging and cultures are interacting more than ever, I hope in the end we will learn from each other and reach a consensus about how to be better beings. Fear of differences does not open constructive dialogue.
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Look, simple question: if you were a terrorist, why would you come into the country by the single most dangerous method, the slowest and most difficult by a tremendous margin, and the one that is guaranteed to place you under the largest possible amount of scrutiny and give you (what is effectively) a lengthy jail term, when you could just get a tourist visa and a plane ticket?
You think terrorists can't afford a plane ticket?
This reasoning is quite simply so utterly stupid, so completely devoid of any rational thought whatsoever, that it just boggles my mind that the human race hasn't already wiped itself out in an orgy of xenophobia.
PS: for a refugee to come to Australia by any means, including boat, it is 100% LEGAL.
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Nice to see a bit of reason posted up every now and then.
The threat of Islam is real as explained by Cory Bernradi. Islamists are becoming ever so strong in Austarlia to the point where it is becoming alarming to say the least and our newly "elected" Government is allowing sharia law to flourish.
http://www.corybernardi.com/2010/09...ion-posted-6a00e5520b72ea88340133f3eadb1f970b
http://www.corybernardi.com/2010/09...ion-posted-6a00e5520b72ea88340133f3eadb1f970b
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Had a look at the original story quoted by Noco. Then saw it was written by Andrew Bolt and recognised (as it turned out) that it would be a really twisted piece of propaganda as only Andrew can execute.
Somehow along the line we might like to recognize that the Muslim religion has separate streams and that the rise and prominence of extreme Islamic sects is just as much a problem for the majority of Muslims as it is for us.
From the other side of the fence how does it look to Muslims or other religions when extreme orthodox Jewish groups demand the expulsion of all Arabs from the Holy lands and then create settlements in Jerusalem to achieve that goal?
How does it look when the more extreme Christian religious groups decide to publicly burn the Koran in Afghanistan ? How about when all Muslims are treated as terrorists simply because they have a different belief ? Because that is how some groups are trying to take America and to an extent Australia.
In the same context we have this huge campaign against a "mosque on the 9/11 site" in New York. This is supposed to be an insult to the martyrs who died in the terrorist attacks.
The small problem is that the proposal is actually for a community centre with a prayer room. A prayer room just like the ones they have in the Pentagon and other places that offer a respect for peoples religious views - just as we expect a similar respect for ours. The campaign is just another load of misinformation to whip up anti Muslim hysteria.
Unfortunately one can find aggressive and/or terrorist behavior under the banner of Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Trying to paint any religion as a haven for terrorism is just simplistic and a quick way to make people feel attacked - and want to defend themselves.
Somehow along the line we might like to recognize that the Muslim religion has separate streams and that the rise and prominence of extreme Islamic sects is just as much a problem for the majority of Muslims as it is for us.
From the other side of the fence how does it look to Muslims or other religions when extreme orthodox Jewish groups demand the expulsion of all Arabs from the Holy lands and then create settlements in Jerusalem to achieve that goal?
How does it look when the more extreme Christian religious groups decide to publicly burn the Koran in Afghanistan ? How about when all Muslims are treated as terrorists simply because they have a different belief ? Because that is how some groups are trying to take America and to an extent Australia.
In the same context we have this huge campaign against a "mosque on the 9/11 site" in New York. This is supposed to be an insult to the martyrs who died in the terrorist attacks.
The small problem is that the proposal is actually for a community centre with a prayer room. A prayer room just like the ones they have in the Pentagon and other places that offer a respect for peoples religious views - just as we expect a similar respect for ours. The campaign is just another load of misinformation to whip up anti Muslim hysteria.
Unfortunately one can find aggressive and/or terrorist behavior under the banner of Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Trying to paint any religion as a haven for terrorism is just simplistic and a quick way to make people feel attacked - and want to defend themselves.
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Had a look at the original story quoted by Noco. Then saw it was written by Andrew Bolt and recognised (as it turned out) that it would be a really twisted piece of propaganda as only Andrew can execute.
Somehow along the line we might like to recognize that the Muslim religion has separate streams and that the rise and prominence of extreme Islamic sects is just as much a problem for the majority of Muslims as it is for us.
From the other side of the fence how does it look to Muslims or other religions when extreme orthodox Jewish groups demand the expulsion of all Arabs from the Holy lands and then create settlements in Jerusalem to achieve that goal?
How does it look when the more extreme Christian religious groups decide to publicly burn the Koran in Afghanistan ? How about when all Muslims are treated as terrorists simply because they have a different belief ? Because that is how some groups are trying to take America and to an extent Australia.
In the same context we have this huge campaign against a "mosque on the 9/11 site" in New York. This is supposed to be an insult to the martyrs who died in the terrorist attacks.
The small problem is that the proposal is actually for a community centre with a prayer room. A prayer room just like the ones they have in the Pentagon and other places that offer a respect for peoples religious views - just as we expect a similar respect for ours. The campaign is just another load of misinformation to whip up anti Muslim hysteria.
Unfortunately one can find aggressive and/or terrorist behavior under the banner of Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Trying to paint any religion as a haven for terrorism is just simplistic and a quick way to make people feel attacked - and want to defend themselves.
Yeah those were my sentiments exactly. Bolt, Australias No.1 demagogue. He's our very own Rush Limbaugh.
A commentator pointed out how the whole Ground Zero Mosque saga unfolded right about the time the GOP blocked the bill to increase entitlements to 9/11 first responders. The Wag the Dog theory is not so fictional it seems.
How does Andrew Bolt fit into this article?
It originally came from Senator Cory Bernardi.
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As noco has already asked, why do either of you attribute this piece to Andrew Bolt? He hasn't even been mentioned as far as I can see.
Perhaps you're so used to pinning anything which is anti-Muslim on Mr Bolt that you don't even stop to discover the correct attribution.
All quite reasonable points.
I don't really agree with you here. Surely there are other much less inflammatory places where they can have their community centre.
If Christians are supposed to be showing understanding toward Muslims, then the reverse also needs to occur.
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Julia if you click onto noco's link it takes you to the Andrew Bolt story as I discussed. It's his stuff. He was quoting Cory Bernadi in parts but added substantial amounts of his own interpretation.
With regard to the proposed community Islamic community centre proposed for the area near Ground zero. After 9/11 George Bush himself tried to say there was not a war against Islam but against terrorists. It was important then and obviously still now to distinguish between the religious beliefs of billions of people and the actions of a very small minority who hold very extreme views.
As I mentioned previously we can find enough extreme Christians and Jews who want to "cleanse the earth" and so forth and start new crusades.
The Islamic community centre would be constructive achievement given it represented part of an integral element of the American community. Attacking it as some sort of representation of Islamic terrorism is just factually wrong and inflammatory. IMO
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Just realised. I was originally responding to nocos first post from the Courier Mail. That was the one written by Andrew Bolt which I believe used Corey's comments.
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Is it not from Bolts blog???
So the first amendment doesn't apply near ground zero??
Geert Wilders Dutch MP exposes the aspirations of Islam for world domination.
No wonder the muslim extremist want to behead him.
A must read for all.
http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1604
No wonder the muslim extremist want to behead him.
A must read for all.
http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1604
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If the New York islamic community can't have a community centre within 500m or 1 km from the ground zero site because of the actions of a few Saudi extremists, we are fostering speratism in the Western communities.
It's a slippery slope when we start depriving people of their rights because of fear over fact.
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The same Galileo that was tortured by the Catholic church for his scientific beliefs?
That is correct, Mofra, but was a few hundred years ago, and while we can't exonerate the Catholic church for past atrocities, we can't change that fact now. It also does not alter the present day problem.
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Maybe we should all start our own fanatical group.
The Normalcy Militia or something like that.
The Normalcy Militia or something like that.
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Maybe we should all start our own fanatical group.
The Normalcy Militia or something like that.
Unfortunately the origin of the word fanatic rules out any approach to Normalcy.
A nice try though wayneL.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=fanatic
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