2014 Victorian Election

[Tisme]

Your memory is fading, Liberal and Labor have had their issues with corruption all be it Labor won that one with Burke but the Libs are not clean skins (Ray O’Connor).

Having first hand knowledge of many characters in WA power circles I can tell you without any doubt that WA has a kind of Illuminati brotherhood that transcends politics. As you would know Sandgropers are happy to be part of Australia so long as Australia doesn't interfere with it. Only Wassies are allowed to criticise Wassies

 

[sptrawler]

Can you check your medication levels

I like Barny he is doing a great job (one man government) just a pity he has absolutely no one else in his government who is any good.

Your memory is fading, Liberal and Labor have had their issues with corruption all be it Labor won that one with Burke but the Libs are not clean skins (Ray O’Connor).


Remember Geoff Gallop

Ray was small fry compared with Bourke, Parker etc. Then let's not forget the Penny Eastern affair and dear Carmen.

 

[basilio]

Well I think we really have moved into a brand new political/social world with this election.

Labour gets in. Ok
Greens get their first seats in the Legislative Assembly.. Big Deal!!
Nationals get trashed . Ah Well probably expect a beating for this "out of touch" conservative rural party..
Nationals pick new leaders.

New National party Deputy leader is

28 Year old Stephanie Ryan. Smart as a whip, Very easy on the eye. In fact absolutely delightful.

So Thats a surprise.

But it gets way, way, WAY better.

her partner, Simon Huggins, is a member of the Labor Party and a councillor for the City of Yarra in inner Melbourne.

"We don't agree on everything, but he's a wonderful, caring and intelligent person. Our private life is separate to our work lives," she says.

FMD !!! The world has certainly turned !!!

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/v...the-country-partys-mould-20141203-11z7qj.html

 

[moXJO]

Lol one week

The militant union has flexed its muscle just a week after Labor won power in Victoria.

The Herald Sun saw CFMEU representatives block the site at Millers Rd, Altona, refusing access to trucks carrying building materials.

CFMEU representatives allegedly told subcontractors: “There’ll be no work here today.”

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/cfmeu-blockade-shuts-down-aldi-building-site/story-fni0fit3-1227146603546?nk=31d655b41c7b37b401b386a2ab0399eb

 

[Tink]

Lol one week



http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/cfmeu-blockade-shuts-down-aldi-building-site/story-fni0fit3-1227146603546?nk=31d655b41c7b37b401b386a2ab0399eb

Yes, less than a week.

CFMEU back in business, means everyone else is out of business.

The construction companies have felt it.

 

[explod]

News just in is the the Greens are set to take the seat of Prahran in the lower house. So two seats to the Greens in the Assembly and having never before held a lower house seat victoria before this is a hugestep forward.

In the upper, Legislative Councilh, it looks as though all seats will be held with the possibility of a new one. Though a lot of counting to be done here yet.

Anecdotal suggest we are gaining a large percentage of support from women in the 20 to 35 year age group. This sector is one that have a huge influence on children and young people coming towards voting age.

Finally a truly democratic party is begining to emerge as a positive force in Australian politics.

 

[Tink]

We have already seen the Greens and Labor in action.

A disaster for this state.

Day four, and still the CMFEU stops work.

Is that how they are creating employment?

Watch Victoria crash and burn, literally.

 

[Calliope]

Anecdotal suggest we are gaining a large percentage of support from women in the 20 to 35 year age group. This sector is one that have a huge influence on children and young people coming towards voting age.

Finally a truly democratic party is begining to emerge as a positive force in Australian politics.

Well my anecdotal (evidence) is that they are a very negative force and they see their role in parliaments as wreckers of the economy...which they are doing very effectively in Canberra.

 

[explod]

Well my anecdotal (evidence) is that they are a very negative force and they see their role in parliaments as wreckers of the economy...which they are doing very effectively in Canberra.

Cite some examples?

 

[trainspotter]

We have already seen the Greens and Labor in action.

A disaster for this state.

Day four, and still the CMFEU stops work.

Is that how they are creating employment?

Watch Victoria crash and burn, literally.

Hear hear !

“In the very first week of Daniel Andrews’ Labor government, we are already seeing a challenge to his authority,” Mr O’Brien said.

“Now is the time for Daniel Andrews to decide is he going to stand up for jobs in Victoria or is he going to stand by his factional mates in the building unions.

“We are seeing an absolute defiance of the law and an absolute defiance of the new Labor Government by the CFMEU.

“People are losing work; companies are losing money all because the CFMEU is taking the law into their own hands.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...149069429?nk=b2d794c8cace698a9593e0c180d25b67

 

[Tink]

You have to wonder about these preferences.
Just looking at Prahran where The Greens won.

(Libs) Mr Newton-Brown got 44.82 per cent of primary votes ahead of
(Labor) Mr Pharaoh’s 25.87 per cent and
(Greens) Mr Hibbins, 24.76 per cent.

 

[Tisme]

We have already seen the Greens and Labor in action.

A disaster for this state.

Day four, and still the CMFEU stops work.

Is that how they are creating employment?

Watch Victoria crash and burn, literally.

I couldn't care less who runs the place, even Victoria, but can you expand on what is happening without referring to columnists with crosses to bear? I'm genuinely interested to know what the unions are doing and why they are doing it and how long this instance (industrial stoppage) has been going on for, overtly or otherwise.

Seriously I'd like to know what the facts are from a concerned Victorian viewpoint, not a politicised one.

 

[explod]

I couldn't care less who runs the place, even Victoria, but can you expand on what is happening without referring to columnists with crosses to bear? I'm genuinely interested to know what the unions are doing and why they are doing it and how long this instance (industrial stoppage) has been going on for, overtly or otherwise.

Seriously I'd like to know what the facts are from a concerned Victorian viewpoint, not a politicised one.

Agree. Particularly the dribble from the MSM, they are the front of the big end of town and distort to keep the general public from knowing what is going on and who are in each others pocket.

Till now the Greens have had no effect or say in Victorian Politics. Again this is a perception painted by the media and swallowed by the less informed.

The Geeens have no alliances with the ALP, in fact in many seats they hadthe Greens last on the voting cards.

The Greens have absolutely no alliance with the CFMEU.

So it is very early days and no judgements can be made till Parliament sits and we see what occurs.

But I am sure the Ex Peeert Andrew Bolt will know it all before it all happens. LOL

 

[moXJO]

I couldn't care less who runs the place, even Victoria, but can you expand on what is happening without referring to columnists with crosses to bear? I'm genuinely interested to know what the unions are doing and why they are doing it and how long this instance (industrial stoppage) has been going on for, overtly or otherwise.

Seriously I'd like to know what the facts are from a concerned Victorian viewpoint, not a politicised one.

On the aldi site?
It is apparently not about fair work conditions or pay.

Two possible reasons:

Aldi bringing in their specialist concretors from overseas.

Builder owes money to subbies from a previous job. Or the builder was blacklisted

 

[Tink]

Tisme, there are many reasons.
We may have different views, but these are mine.

As I have already said, the unions have destroyed this state.
I have spoken to many, and they agree.
They were useful once, but not like they are now.
You don't vote for one man, you vote for the party.

I don't agree with over bloated public systems, the wastage is sickening.
I don't like that the left have hijacked our public education system and media (ABC).
I put a lot of that behind the loss of our election too.

Don't get me wrong, the Libs aren't perfect, but if you want fairness, run it along the board.

Labor and the Greens, I don't agree with their ideology, since when is everything free?
Where did this thinking come from?
Where is the responsibility?

I don't agree with what they did trashing company cars to get their point across (the unions).

We seem to have a generation of feeling that they don't have to pay a thing in life, and I am not just talking about young people here.
As was said by a Lib, this is a privilege, not a right.
I fear Victoria will be another tourist hub, as is Tasmania.

Jobs have been stopped in Victoria.

I have already given examples in the past of what I have seen regarding the Labor/Greens in government.
Nothing has changed from their perspective.

The Greens are disliked in the bush where the fires were, they asked many times for trees to be cut around those power lines and around homes.
The CFA were concerned also with Labor being elected again.

We align with journalists or people we agree with, and though Bolt may be over the top for you, I also agree with others, Miranda Devine, Rowan Dean, the list goes on.
I also listen to people around me and what they see and think of the situation.

These are my views, we have four years of watching.

 

[Ijustnewit]

Tink , I feel for all Victorians. The Greens in Tasmania have made the place an economic basket place , all in the good of the environment. I can agree with some of their policy and issues logging ancient forests. But they take it even further , they don't want eco tourism either. There was an article on TV ( I forget what channel ) last week about entrepreneurs wanting to set up environmental eco shelters in some of our forest as a tourist venture. Well of course the loonie Greens won't allow it . One of those families wanting to set a venture for tourists to enjoy an eco tourist resort was Dick Smith and his siblings. The Greens run them out of the State and Tasmania lost the potential to draw more tourism dollars to the state. Others have been driven away as well , the loonie Greens don't want any human footprint on anything. It's extremism at it's worst , and it's killing the state. They also don't want expansion to fish farming either , and that's one of our biggest earners. They don't allow genetically modified crops either , another show ( I think it was Landline ) showed had this is driving another big earner the poppy industry off island as well. Basically they want the whole place untouched and nothing happening. There was a glimmer of hope the new Liberal Government would overturn some of these loonie rules set up by generations of Green / Labor Governments. But the Greens are already gearing up for that fight and it won't be pretty.
Also I just can't get over that result in Prahan myself, how does someone on 24 per cent get elected in when others are clearly more favoured in the community ? No wonder we have the problems we do. Hopefully Victoria won't suffer to much in the next few years. It's a great state and I love visiting there.

 

[explod]

Intersting, the last two posters are ageeing with each other yet some statements are contradicting each other.

Tasmania is the way we all need to go, back to preserving nature. Tourists leave a big footprint, and many leave thier McDonald's rubbish everywhere.

The great thing of nature's richness in the past was diversity, GM crops have been shown to wipe this out. A great book released awhile back was Back From the Brink by Peter Andrews where it was proved that the best performing race horses in the world. were those who grazed on virgin land with all natural weeds intact.

The Greens philosophy is much much more than the right wing press try to label them. Victoria now has the chance to be really on the move and I am in the very lucky position to be able to have some input to our new members of Parliament

 

[Calliope]

Tasmania is the way we all need to go, back to preserving nature. Tourists leave a big footprint, and many leave thier McDonald's rubbish everywhere.

The great thing of nature's richness in the past was diversity, GM crops have been shown to wipe this out. A great book released awhile back was Back From the Brink by Peter Andrews where it was proved that the best performing race horses in the world. were those who grazed on virgin land with all natural weeds intact.

The Greens philosophy is much much more than the right wing press try to label them. Victoria now has the chance to be really on the move and I am in the very lucky position to be able to have some input to our new members of Parliament has the chance to be really on the move and I am in the very lucky position to be able to have some input to our new members of Parliament

I know they say that you get the Government you deserve, but having your hand on the wheel as a political adviser is really rubbing it in.You don't understand that turning Victoria down the Tasmanian track would bankrupt Victoria

You are obviously opposed to tourism, and if you got your way, to feed racehorses on weeds, a Victorian horse would never win another Melbourne Cup

 

[Knobby22]

The Greens would close down the Melbourne Cup.
I have three green voters in my office.
All vegetarians and acting morally superior all the time. Putting labels on our front door to respect aboriginals. Providing organic chips at our Friday drinks.
Drives me nuts.

 

[Ijustnewit]

Intersting, the last two posters are ageeing with each other yet some statements are contradicting each other.

Tasmania is the way we all need to go, back to preserving nature. Tourists leave a big footprint, and many leave thier McDonald's rubbish everywhere.

The great thing of nature's richness in the past was diversity, GM crops have been shown to wipe this out. A great book released awhile back was Back From the Brink by Peter Andrews where it was proved that the best performing race horses in the world. were those who grazed on virgin land with all natural weeds intact.

The Greens philosophy is much much more than the right wing press try to label them. Victoria now has the chance to be really on the move and I am in the very lucky position to be able to have some input to our new members of Parliament

I will agree about the McDonalds rubbish. But that's more about consumer education and also the mental state of those demographics that consume such garbage as food. If Tasmania is the " way we all need to go " how to you envisage a viable economy to support the population that is ? People need jobs and communities need money to make them work. Tasmania is an economic basket case , do the Greens want this for the rest of Australia as well ?
Basically where is the money going to come from ? What are we to do ? Modern society had developed to a point that we can't just walk away and live in a cave. Sorry for diverging from the original thread. Happy to continue the discussion on the Greens thread.