2014 Victorian Election

[Smurf1976]

Anyone in Vic like to comment as to what extent state issues versus federal issues dominated the election campaign and people's thinking?

Normally, a state election is fought over state issues but I'm getting the distinct impression as an "outsider" that federal politics, particularly Tony Abbott personally, may have played a role here?

 

[Calliope]

It is not surprising that the Napthine government was a one-termer The result four years ago was an anomaly and now things have returned to the status quo. Victorians love their unions and the more militant they are the better. In Melbourne firms like Grocon are the villains and the CMFEU are their protectors and heroes.

Andrews has a great appeal to the unions and he had his rallies stacked with public service unionists posing as concerned citizens, some even wearing nurses uniforms. Shorten is also a union tool and he will have taken note of the effectiveness of these tactics.

 

[Knobby22]

What a lot of judgemental rubbish on here this morning.

Andrews is new. he speaks in clear and articulate manner, the past is gone and none of can judge.

Lets just accept the verdict, move on and see.

He does come across as a true leader. Hopefully he will do well.

 

[explod]

Anyone in Vic like to comment as to what extent state issues versus federal issues dominated the election campaign and people's thinking?

Normally, a state election is fought over state issues but I'm getting the distinct impression as an "outsider" that federal politics, particularly Tony Abbott personally, may have played a role here?

Absolutely, i still think labor were there but the firemfighters union and the Rabbit effect would have been up to 5%

 

[noco]

Absolutely, i still think labor were there but the firemfighters union and the Rabbit effect would have been up to 5%

What about the Bull $hi^en affect?

 

[explod]

What about the Bull $hi^en affect?

You win that one hands down noco

Last election here the Libs peomised the world on public transport and delivered virtually none of it.

 

[noco]

You win that one hands down noco

Last election here the Libs peomised the world on public transport and delivered virtually none of it.

The unbiased Bolt explains it well.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...abbott_for_losing_victoria_ignores_the_facts/

 

[sptrawler]

Maybe the Victorian's feel, that with a State Labor Party and possibly a Federal Labor Party in 18months, they might bail out the car industry.

Well it isn't that far fetched, Bill Shorten did say, if Labor were in they would have commited tax payer funds to support them.

That would annoy a lot of people, who have paid over the odds, for 'run out' collectibles.lol

 

[explod]

The unbiased Bolt explains it well.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...abbott_for_losing_victoria_ignores_the_facts/

Bolt, gaaaawd noco, you just put up so much rationlisation devoid of content.

He says "uninspiring leaders" Andrews, and many agree was inspiring, consistent and put forward achieable objectives.

"uncontrasting programs". Just the East West link could not be more of a contrast between the two than you could ever find.

Martin Puka rejected the Abbot factor, so what, I reject his take by what I heard at the booths, even Libs on duty where saying "its a shame that Abbott has figured so much on the media of late"

Why would Andrews mention Abbott, he was doing a good enough job to bring the Libs down so why waste time. And in his election speach, Bolt is a whacker.

He goes on to say the Libs were too timid. Struth, in the runup to the election campaign the taxpayer funded adds to support East West Link hit us on prime televison every night. In the last week they letterboxed my place every day, and Naphthine was exposed storming everywhere via more than double teletime.

Bolt just sits back and generates hot air from within and out through his rear and people like you noco feed on it.

 

[boofhead]

That Bolt article was a bit thin and didn't seem to show any detailed reasoning.

Federal Labor will make something of the Vic result and push it on to the federal Coalition.

Federal Coalition will say it is a Victorian state issue.

State Labor will be a bit split. They will claim better campaigning. Use the common community issues like health, education etc. to try and bend federal Coalition as they will be paying for part of it. I expect state Labor will also make a little of Abbott (from what I heard Labor used Abbott's image to scare people) to further push the feed for the federal govt to help Victoria more on the common community issues to save the federal seats.

State Liberal have had some individuals mention the federal issues as having an impact. They will be pulled in line as senior internal figures will not have it.

While state and federal issues often have clear distinction there is plenty of overlap and it is naive to dismiss any role federal governments and parties have on state politics. Major infrastructure and major community services have federal co-funding.

 

[sptrawler]

That Bolt article was a bit thin and didn't seem to show any detailed reasoning.

Federal Labor will make something of the Vic result and push it on to the federal Coalition.

Federal Coalition will say it is a Victorian state issue.

State Labor will be a bit split. They will claim better campaigning. Use the common community issues like health, education etc. to try and bend federal Coalition as they will be paying for part of it. I expect state Labor will also make a little of Abbott (from what I heard Labor used Abbott's image to scare people) to further push the feed for the federal govt to help Victoria more on the common community issues to save the federal seats.

State Liberal have had some individuals mention the federal issues as having an impact. They will be pulled in line as senior internal figures will not have it.

While state and federal issues often have clear distinction there is plenty of overlap and it is naive to dismiss any role federal governments and parties have on state politics. Major infrastructure and major community services have federal co-funding.

It will be interesting to see how Victoria goes, over the next 18 months.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/v...-parliament-back-to-work-20141130-11x62q.html

Plenty of spending promises, back to work, nurse to patient ratios enshrined in legislation, refunding TAFE.
Sounds like more money, for same outcome.

Don't hear much on the other side of the ledger, other than stopping a major infrastructure work East West link, don't know if it is needed or not being from W.A.

 

[noco]

Bolt, gaaaawd noco, you just put up so much rationlisation devoid of content.

He says "uninspiring leaders" Andrews, and many agree was inspiring, consistent and put forward achieable objectives.

"uncontrasting programs". Just the East West link could not be more of a contrast between the two than you could ever find.

Martin Puka rejected the Abbot factor, so what, I reject his take by what I heard at the booths, even Libs on duty where saying "its a shame that Abbott has figured so much on the media of late"

Why would Andrews mention Abbott, he was doing a good enough job to bring the Libs down so why waste time. And in his election speach, Bolt is a whacker.

He goes on to say the Libs were too timid. Struth, in the runup to the election campaign the taxpayer funded adds to support East West Link hit us on prime televison every night. In the last week they letterboxed my place every day, and Naphthine was exposed storming everywhere via more than double teletime.

Bolt just sits back and generates hot air from within and out through his rear and people like you noco feed on it.

So what are you grumbling about?.....Labor won the election in Victoria......that is democracy......so be happy.

If Labor does not do the right by the Victorians then Andrews might also be a one term government.

Labor will be under the spot light.

Actually, I could not care less whether cow calves or the cat has kittens in Victoria...I live in the best state in Australia.....We have a good government who is starting peg back another Labor financial mess created by two incompetent people Beattie and Bligh...an absolute hopeless pair...They were borrowing money to pay an overstaffed public service...overstaffed by some 14,000.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

So what are you grumbling about?.....Labor won the election in Victoria......that is democracy......so be happy.

If Labor does not do the right by the Victorians then Andrews might also be a one term government.

Labor will be under the spot light.

Actually, I could not care less whether cow calves or the cat has kittens in Victoria...I live in the best state in Australia.....We have a good government who is starting peg back another Labor financial mess created by two incompetent people Beattie and Bligh...an absolute hopeless pair...They were borrowing money to pay an overstaffed public service...overstaffed by some 14,000.

I would agree noco,

The Victorian ALP deserve to be congratulated on a good victory in their lower house.

I must admit to knowing as much about Victorians as I do of the Uighur of Western China.

From my experience watching them they seem to be great buyers of car and caravan insurance, and other scams such as funeral insurance and pots and pans which last forever.

Is there anyone in Victoria under the age of 68?

gg

 

[banco]

Maybe the Victorian's feel, that with a State Labor Party and possibly a Federal Labor Party in 18months, they might bail out the car industry.

Well it isn't that far fetched, Bill Shorten did say, if Labor were in they would have commited tax payer funds to support them.

That would annoy a lot of people, who have paid over the odds, for 'run out' collectibles.lol

Yeah that is pretty far fetched.

 

[sptrawler]

Is there anyone in Victoria under the age of 68?

gg

If there are, GG, they will be given counselling about going back to work, as a nurse, or becoming a TAFE lecturer.

 

[explod]

So what are you grumbling about?.....Labor won the election in Victoria......that is democracy......so be happy.

If Labor does not do the right by the Victorians then Andrews might also be a one term government.

Labor will be under the spot light.

Actually, I could not care less whether cow calves or the cat has kittens in Victoria...I live in the best state in Australia.....We have a good government who is starting peg back another Labor financial mess created by two incompetent people Beattie and Bligh...an absolute hopeless pair...They were borrowing money to pay an overstaffed public service...overstaffed by some 14,000.

I seem to have to repeat myself with you noco. I am a green and do not care too much for labour.

My post was about Bolt's unsubstantated hot air.

So read my posts properly and desist from stamping your foot, it indicates your frustration at not having an argument going all your own way.

And the way QLD seem to be going with coal and dangers to the great barrier reef I would not be too sure about your future elections.

 

[noco]

I seem to have to repeat myself with you noco. I am a green and do not care too much for labour.

My post was about Bolt's unsubstantated hot air.

So read my posts properly and desist from stamping your foot, it indicates your frustration at not having an argument going all your own way.

And the way QLD seem to be going with coal and dangers to the great barrier reef I would not be too sure about your future elections.

What a load of cods waddle.....the Great Barrier reef has never been in better shape than it is now and after 25 years constant watch by Professor Peter Ridd of James Cook University he has recently stated the reef is very healthy......I live up here and have seen it plenty of times myself.

The state and federal governments have strict environmental conditions applying to the Great Barrier Reef.

You have to stop listening to that nut from the USA.....what's his name?...Oh yes Barack Obama...What the hell would he know about our Barrier Reef and the conditions that apply.....he would not have a clue nor did he bother to find out.

So you are a "GREENIE"......The watermelon group.....I think most of us say green outside and red inside.... .WELL I'LL be blowed......but I won't hold that against you...that is your prerogative so long as you don't try to ram it down my throat.
BTW it is Labor not Labour.

 

[explod]

I have worked and lived in Queensland, and dived the great barrier reef. First time 1965.
On its changing condition you are very wrong. What you think of the reef will not change the experiencd or feeling of others.

Spelling, whe cares, did not stop my Honours Degree.

 

[noco]

I have worked and lived in Queensland, and dived the great barrier reef. First time 1965.
On its changing condition you are very wrong. What you think of the reef will not change the experiencd or feeling of others.

Spelling, whe cares, did not stop my Honours Degree.

So you say you know more about the Great Barrier Reef than Professor Peter Ridd and Professor Bob Cater (JCU) who have studied the reef and climate change for the past 25 years.

So you don't believe the state and federal governments have strict environmental controls on the reef.

I would say you know as little as Obama does.

The Greens could not care less about the environment...they use that as an excuse to disrupt the economy and progress of development in Queensland......This is a typical Fabian treat...if you are not aware of their tactics, then you are very naive and you should do some research on that organization.

A bit off topic of this thread but it is in reply.

There you go explod, all you need to know about the protection of the Great Barrier Reef...the laws and regulations are very strict...It is a pity Obama did not bother to do some research before he opened that big mouth of his....Obama was also advised by his ambassador not to make that speech to those uni students.

http://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/about-us/legislation-regulations-and-policies#leg_spec_gbrmp

 

[Tisme]

...They were borrowing money to pay an overstaffed public service...overstaffed by some 14,000.

Some would say that number was too low by a factor of 10

I think the voters in Victoria have sent a message about how much Australia really likes the idea/prospects of end of the world austerity budgets so soon after boom times.