Wage Rises

[krisbarry]

Seems to me there are a lot of people in support of the new laws, maybe I will just shut my mouth then. Just don't bitch when your sacked for no reason, when your penalty rates go, when you are forced to work weekends, nights, and public holidays, 24 hour a day 7 day a week rosters etc.

 

[Happy]

Labour pendulum seems to swung into employers quarters, so employee has to accept what is available with grace.

It will be a while, if ever, before unions will get another grip on employment matters.

Pity, unfair dismissal laws were a farce which had to go, now employer looks to have achieved GOD status again, and bull labour market came back, pity again, but common sense had to prevail one day.

 

[Smurf1976]

One effect that I have noticed is that since the IR changes were announced there seems to be a degree of panic amongst real estate agents and builders with both simultaneously ramping up advertising and cutting prices. Likewise the sellers of expensive goods seem to be experiencing a slowdown according to media reports.

It's possibly just a co-incidence but it does suggest that consumers aren't exactly over confident at the moment. A lack of job security discourages the taking on of debt so I think the shorter term economic effects of this may be more significant than is being assumed regardless of the longer term implications.

 

[Happy]

Good employees have no worries and will be well rewarded.
It is the dead wood, with all the excuses in the world not to perform up to acceptable standard will have to pull the finger out or be out themselves.

One can only pull so much wool over eyes.

Unfortunately, since employer will have little bit more power now, can abuse new set up.

If one is not desperate, can leave unfavourable employment conditions, but unfortunately not all have the luxury.

 

[Bloveld]

Well just about every benefit Australian workers enjoy was fought for by unions at some stage then flowed on to all workers. Workers comp, the 8 hour day, the 40 hour week and now the 36 hour week, overtime and holidays. None of this stuff was handed out.
I make more than double the award rate. Award RnR is 13 weeks on and 1 off, I am on 5 and 1. My membership costs less than buying the weekend papers.
But if you can sit back an pick up the benefits without putting your hand in your pocket then good luck. Bit unaustralian to me.

 

[tech/a]

Sadly I agree with Bloveld to some degree.

There certaintly are times when parties cannot reach agreement.
Generally this occures when one side is being un reasonable.

Sadly again Union involvement generally isnt about being fair and just as a mediatory but as a biased pro worker negotiator.
Middle ground needs to be defined.

If not Business will employ their pro negotiatiors and employees theirs---"Unions".

Thats not the spirit of work place agreements---nor is it desirable---this sort of confrontational We (The employee) V's them (The Employer) is NOT conducive to sound business practice.
If you have to bring in professional negotiators into any work place then you shouldnt be working together.

But I will conceed desirable in some cases and un avoidable in others.
The business world--Employer --Employee will never be perfect.

 

[krisbarry]

Good employees have no worries and will be well rewarded.
It is the dead wood, with all the excuses in the world not to perform up to acceptable standard will have to pull the finger out or be out themselves.

One can only pull so much wool over eyes.

Unfortunately, since employer will have little bit more power now, can abuse new set up.

If one is not desperate, can leave unfavourable employment conditions, but unfortunately not all have the luxury.

What a crock...at the end of the day employers will screw employees and much as they can, and pay as little as they can.

The employer only thinks about the bottom line!

 

[krisbarry]

Was at work today and in the tea room was the following flyer:

...What is not guaranteed by law under John Howard's WorkChoices for new workers and workers changing jobs

* Penatly rates
* Overtime rate
* Meal breaks
* Rest breaks
* Public Holidays
* Annual leave loading
* Shift Loading
* Allowances

All of these conditions, which Australian's have enjoyed for decades, will now have to be negotiated with employers.

 

[Kauri]

Kris..
when all this comes to pass, how will you afford to buy your house in 4 years time? Sorry

 

[tech/a]

Was at work today and in the tea room was the following flyer:

...What is not guaranteed by law under John Howard's WorkChoices for new workers and workers changing jobs

* Penatly rates
* Overtime rate
* Meal breaks
* Rest breaks
* Public Holidays
* Annual leave loading
* Shift Loading
* Allowances

All of these conditions, which Australian's have enjoyed for decades, will now have to be negotiated with employers.

Why should EVERYONE be equal. If you put in more hrs than Bob and treat your job like it was your own business by going that extra mile/s why shouldnt you be rewarded .
If you take the time to understand that impressing your employer with an attitude of JOINT effort and consideration while others just do the hrs and put their hand out--why shouldnt YOU be rewarded over and above Bob???

So place yourself in the best position to negotiate.

The only problem here I see are employees who feel employement is a right along with all the trimings.
So as an employer you expect me to give you EVERYTHING for the privilage of you being at my place of work for 40-45/hrs a week regardless of your input and value to myself or those who work with you.

To many an employer has no rights (Just because every cent including wages/ benifits/tools of trade/premisis business expences/and costs to ensure YOU HAVE A JOB and the employer has one as well---comes out of the pockets DIRECTLY of the 90% of small business owners who employ 70% of the workforce) Employees constantly feel like THEY need to rule with a DICTATORIAL Iron glove---.

If the business goes broke can the OWNER take all employees to court and claim UNFAIR employee work pracitices????

From the Employees involved in this debate here on this site All I've heard is WHOA is us!!

No wonder we have a problem finding QUALITY work personel.
Happy to take not happy to give.

So place yourself in the best position to negotiate.

 

[krisbarry]

Kris..
when all this comes to pass, how will you afford to buy your house in 4 years time? Sorry

I am not a new worker and I do not intend to change jobs, so now of this affects me, am I right?

 

[tech/a]

What a crock...at the end of the day employers will screw employees and much as they can, and pay as little as they can.

The employer only thinks about the bottom line!

Yeh and so should you. No profit no job--but hey who gives a rats about the employer he has no rights.You lose your job and you'll just move to another---the Employer loses his and he WILL have nothing as HE places EVERYTHING on the line.

How about every employee places all they own on the line at time of employement---if the company goes bust--SO DO YOU!


Kris--you'd be the model employee under great demand I'd say!!

 

[tech/a]

I am not a new worker and I do not intend to change jobs, so now of this affects me, am I right?

Have you been told you'll take a pay reduction?
Have you been told ANYTHING that makes you believe you'll be worse off by YOUR EMPLOYER???

Didnt think so.
Your being bluffed and sucked in by people who have THEIR OWN AGENDAS. You really think they care about you?

Labor wants YOUR VOTE.
Unions want POWER and your FEES.

How Naive.

 

[krisbarry]

So place yourself in the best position to negotiate.

Look mate, like I said b4, you might be a really nice boss, and well done, but I think you are a minority.

I think you will find the boss had done all the negotiating first and you will just have to sign the terms and agreements, and if not, they will show you where the door is.

Come on Tech/a , think outside the square mate, not everybody is a nice as so, there are plenty of greedy bosses and greedy company, ready for these new employees to sign up

 

[krisbarry]

Have you been told you'll take a pay reduction?
Have you been told ANYTHING that makes you believe you'll be worse off by YOUR EMPLOYER???

Didnt think so.
Your being bluffed and sucked in by people who have THEIR OWN AGENDAS. You really think they care about you?

Labor wants YOUR VOTE.
Unions want POWER and your FEES.

How Naive.

High possibility of a pay cut in my current job as its contract runs out in Dec. We have all be warned that we may not have a job in Jan. Another company can come in start up and undercut us. They will then employ us under a new contract, and of course lpay us less money....HIGHLY POSSIBLE!!!

 

[krisbarry]

Looks like tech/a has been waiting all day for me to return home form work and post on ASF. He seems to be getting so excited-pushing my buttons. LOL

Its OK mate, I can take it, I am a big boy, not going to cry to my mother...LOL

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

It's all about making the workforce more competitive internationally and that pushes down rates, salaries and reduces the benefits that come along with employment.
I think of being employed is much like modern day slavery. Work for peanuts and make the company dollars. Overall I see employers as being non sharing, non creative and too traditional in the sense they have put it on the line, so, why share it. If business provides jobs then employees should be happy they have jobs, is old and tired. They should be inviting their good employees to contribute more in an incentive scheme that creates a bit of equity in the company for the employees. Eek say the traditionalists.

 

[krisbarry]

Depends on the company you work for, some are very cosey, close-kit/family orientated business' and some are just corporate money hungry, greedy bastards that couldn't give two hoots about their employees.

It will be very easy to apply these new IR laws to all companies but the outcomes in the above senarios would be very different.

Now how is that fair?

 

[tech/a]

Well Kris looks like your stuffed.
Good luck at the rallies you'll need all the help you can get.

So if you cant find anything but greedy bastard employers--spose the next best is the dole.
Could work for yourself I suppose--but what if you had to employ someone?
Still if you find a big enough company you should be able to get maximum $$ and not be seen---fantastic.
But wait if your not prepared to negotiate or better yourself (Get yourself in a position to negotiate a better rate) then you'll have no choice but to sign an agreement---shock horror minimum benifit----minimum employee input and value.


I reckon you'd be lucky to know 2 business owners/managers.
I know more than 50---not a single one would begrudge paying a valued employee way over any award--people like you with an attitude like yours--wouldnt get past the job interveiw and if you snuck through my boys would have you back on the street faster than you could say---greedy employer--its time to pack up we dont get paid overtime.

Anyway your posts are your biggest testimonial---glad you didnt take up that offer of help I extended to you.

 

[mime]

You lose your job and you'll just move to another---the Employer loses his and he WILL have nothing as HE places EVERYTHING on the line.

Very true.

These laws are being created to protect SMALL BUSINESS because many are struggling to keep a float. The new laws are helping them out greatly because if they hire a bad employee it hurts them much more then a big business with a large work force and more resources at their disposal.

High possibility of a pay cut in my current job as its contract runs out in Dec. We have all be warned that we may not have a job in Jan. Another company can come in start up and undercut us. They will then employ us under a new contract, and of course lpay us less money....HIGHLY POSSIBLE!!!

Does the company you work for employ more then 100 people?