Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[MrBurns]

I know what the topic is, what does it have to do with Peta Credlin? Which is apparently now where the bar is set for relevance.

Apparently that was a speech given by her to do with Muslim immigration.

 

[McLovin]

Apparently that was a speech given by her to do with Muslim immigration.

Again, I understand. I asked noco about his surveys that show 98% of Australians object to Muslim immigration – they are really just novelty "surveys" he finds on the internet – and he asked me what that had to do with Peta Credlin. Answer: Nothing, but it would seem more relevant to the thread than Peta Credlin.

 

[noco]

Again, I understand. I asked noco about his surveys that show 98% of Australians object to Muslim immigration – they are really just novelty "surveys" he finds on the internet – and he asked me what that had to do with Peta Credlin. Answer: Nothing, but it would seem more relevant to the thread than Peta Credlin.

https://www.votocrat.com/natalie.ma...tralia-have-your-say-yes-or-no?source=sharing

 

[McLovin]

https://www.votocrat.com/natalie.ma...tralia-have-your-say-yes-or-no?source=sharing

Surely you understand these aren't real? They're just someone posting a question on the internet (and probably linking it to their circle jerk on Facebook). Just look at the how the question is phrased. It's like it was written by a first grader. If you ban Islam, the first part of the question is totally redundant. And, conversely, what if a respondent wants to close mosques (note: no capitalisation unless it's a proper noun) but not ban Islam, how would they answer the question? Double barrelled questions are a no-no.

 

[noco]

Surely you understand these aren't real? They're just someone posting a question on the internet (and probably linking it to their circle jerk on Facebook). Just look at the how the question is phrased. It's like it was written by a first grader. If you ban Islam, the first part of the question is totally redundant. And, conversely, what if a respondent wants to close mosques (note: no capitalisation unless it's a proper noun) but not ban Islam, how would they answer the question? Double barrelled questions are a no-no.

Believe what ever you like.....But I guess being a from the left you would have to post farcical rhetoric in keeping with your beliefs......Can you prove it is not original?

 

[McLovin]

Can you prove it is not original?

I'm not saying it's not original, I'm saying it's not scientific. Do you understand?

But I guess being a from the left you would have to post farcical rhetoric in keeping with your beliefs

It wasn't my best work, I apologise, but I had to tailor it to the intended audience or it would have sailed right over their head.

And LOL you and "the left". Is that just anyone who questions your stupidity?

 

[Tisme]

Will there ever be a Royal Commission into why Howard opened the gates to boat people that resulted in babies being thrown overboard? He closed the gate after the horse had bolted yes?

 

[SirRumpole]

Will there ever be a Royal Commission into why Howard opened the gates to boat people that resulted in babies being thrown overboard? He closed the gate after the horse had bolted yes?

We should be having RC's into lots of things including how Andrew Robb got his new job.

 

[drsmith]

May was another month with no boats.

In relation to ongoing legacy costs from Labor's failed border protection policies when in government, the current government has come to a $70m settlement with Slater and Gordon over the detention of asylum seekers on Manus Island. Kevin Rudd in the lead up to the 2013 election boasted Manus could hold 10,000.

 

[orr]

May was another month with no boats.

In relation to ongoing legacy costs from Labor's failed border protection policies when in government, the current government has come to a $70m settlement with Slater and Gordon over the detention of asylum seekers on Manus Island. Kevin Rudd in the lead up to the 2013 election boasted Manus could hold 10,000.

What? Indefinitely? With all the abuses? Orchestrated designed by Abbott Morrison & Dutton (Oafs all)to placate the ignorant, black hearted and white supremacist that supplement 'The Base' that they so desperately need to attract.
The elasticity on your normally demonic bean counting ethos to accomodate the maintenance of these offshore abominations reminds me of a contortionist who I once watched, in orr, as she was able to sit on top of her own head. Your capacities though, are able to push it that one step further to insertion.

 

[Bobby]

When I started this thread almost 11 years ago I used these words in my post :
'' The cost will be immense both monetary & socially. ''

Wish I could have picked the markets with that Accuracy !

Bobby .

 

[sptrawler]

What? Indefinitely? With all the abuses? Orchestrated designed by Abbott Morrison & Dutton (Oafs all)to placate the ignorant, black hearted and white supremacist that supplement 'The Base' that they so desperately need to attract.
The elasticity on your normally demonic bean counting ethos to accomodate the maintenance of these offshore abominations reminds me of a contortionist who I once watched, in orr, as she was able to sit on top of her own head. Your capacities though, are able to push it that one step further to insertion.

As has been stated on numerous media outlets, when Labor came in to office there was 4 people in detention, when they left office 30,000 or so had arrived, the outcome isn't rocket science.
If you are going to promote an open borders ideology, you have to expect what happens in Europe and the U.K, Labor tried to straddle the fence and it ended up a disaster.
As for the resulting disaster, it doesn't matter what it costs as long as it is brought to closure, hopefully lessons are learnt and correct protocols are adopted in future.
However I doubt it, when a politician stands on a soap box and profess to be doing the right thing, I'm always dubious. lol
As for the asylum seekers, they have obviously done o.k, I wonder if the pay out will encourage another wave.

 

[Tisme]

As has been stated on numerous media outlets, when Labor came in to office there was 4 people in detention, when they left office 30,000 or so had arrived, the outcome isn't rocket science.
If you are going to promote an open borders ideology, you have to expect what happens in Europe and the U.K, Labor tried to straddle the fence and it ended up a disaster.
As for the resulting disaster, it doesn't matter what it costs as long as it is brought to closure, hopefully lessons are learnt and correct protocols are adopted in future.
However I doubt it, when a politician stands on a soap box and profess to be doing the right thing, I'm always dubious. lol
As for the asylum seekers, they have obviously done o.k, I wonder if the pay out will encourage another wave.

Which beggars the question, why the payout when parliament is supposed to make laws. Something is wrong when party politics rewards the undeserving.

 

[SirRumpole]

As for the asylum seekers, they have obviously done o.k, I wonder if the pay out will encourage another wave.

The payouts were for 'abuse' not the fact that they were asylum seekers.

If they have to be held in detention they at least should be treated humanely.

 

[sptrawler]

Well there has been a lot more abuse of migrant children, in the 50's and 60's also indigenous people, who didn't chose to get into the situation of their own volition.
So I hope we are as accepting of their plight, and treat them in the same manner.
WOW that will hurt, but be much more deserving.IMO

 

[sptrawler]

Which beggars the question, why the payout when parliament is supposed to make laws. Something is wrong when party politics rewards the undeserving.

That's true, rewarding those who queue jump, while many who may be more deserving wait in hope is very wrong.
Just shows money talks, the illegals paid to get here now walk away with money, those who follow protocol sit in camps.

 

[luutzu]

May was another month with no boats.

In relation to ongoing legacy costs from Labor's failed border protection policies when in government, the current government has come to a $70m settlement with Slater and Gordon over the detention of asylum seekers on Manus Island. Kevin Rudd in the lead up to the 2013 election boasted Manus could hold 10,000.

How much of that $70M do you reckon will reach the queue jumpers?

Here's an interesting question... if a boatful of people was forced around and no news was released about it, did that boat exist?

 

[sptrawler]

How much of that $70M do you reckon will reach the queue jumpers?

Here's an interesting question... if a boatful of people was forced around and no news was released about it, did that boat exist?

Just because someone can afford a boat, does it give them preference or priority, over someone waiting patiently in a camp?
If someone has the money to put themselves in an advantageous, yet perilous position, it somehow gives them priority over those more disadvantaged?
I don't see how that is fair, it is just supporting the well off to jump over the less fortunate.IMO

 

[luutzu]

Just because someone can afford a boat, does it give them preference or priority, over someone waiting patiently in a camp?
If someone has the money to put themselves in an advantageous, yet perilous position, it somehow gives them priority over those more disadvantaged?
I don't see how that is fair, it is just supporting the well off to jump over the less fortunate.IMO

First, they do not own the boat. They paid people smugglers to be on that boat. They know they could die on it but decided, for some reason, that it's worth the risk. Maybe it's their only way out.

Second, they're not asking to be ahead of anyone's queue. Just asking to be on that queue. Any gov't can interview, review, check, do that extreme vetting... and if it's decided that they're just economic migrants, they get sent back.

Problem is, the majority of those boat people were found to be genuine refugees. Just we don't give a crap. So we make deal with the US, do an exchange for those we've [ok, Labor] have let in.

But fear not, our border force has been ordered to not ask questions about safety, seeking asylum, claims blah blah. Just point the guns to their heads and point them where they better head back to.

And all us Aussies get to feel good and secure because we're a bit richer by not having to pay billions to private prison contractors to have to lock them up offshore. Oh wait...

 

[sptrawler]

First, they do not own the boat. They paid people smugglers to be on that boat. They know they could die on it but decided, for some reason, that it's worth the risk. Maybe it's their only way out.

Second, they're not asking to be ahead of anyone's queue. Just asking to be on that queue. Any gov't can interview, review, check, do that extreme vetting... and if it's decided that they're just economic migrants, they get sent back.

Problem is, the majority of those boat people were found to be genuine refugees. Just we don't give a crap. So we make deal with the US, do an exchange for those we've [ok, Labor] have let in.

But fear not, our border force has been ordered to not ask questions about safety, seeking asylum, claims blah blah. Just point the guns to their heads and point them where they better head back to.

And all us Aussies get to feel good and secure because we're a bit richer by not having to pay billions to private prison contractors to have to lock them up offshore. Oh wait...

Like I said, there obviously is a protocol, why should you be able to circumvent that protocol because you have the money to pay a people smuggler.
I'll put it another way, you throw away all your identification and tell me which first World Countries will accept you?
Secondly If Australia takes your stance and says, just take anyone who arrives here, I would bet within two years you would be screaming to shut the border.
How the hell can we support a welfare state, when all and sundry can just arrive and take residence.
When do you stop it? and when you do have to stop it, because it is collapsing your economy. How do you tell the others that want to come in, that they aren't allowed, we can't cope?
It is much more sensible to regulate the intake to start with, the World is overpopulated, it is a global problem.