Japanese Whaling?

[numbercruncher]

Seriously solely because of "cheap" energy the worlds population has gone from 1b to 6b in 100 years, its impossible for it to continue. Cheap energy has finished, growing demand diminishing crop harvests are here, dont need to read between the lines for too long to see what the consequence is likely to be.

 

[--B--]

Seriously solely because of "cheap" energy the worlds population has gone from 1b to 6b in 100 years, its impossible for it to continue. Cheap energy has finished, growing demand diminishing crop harvests are here, dont need to read between the lines for too long to see what the consequence is likely to be.

and cheap energy has been the vehicle which has delivered much of the technological, medical, scientific advancements we enjoy.

i assume you are also opposed to such technology advancements as GM crops and pesticides?

in any case, as you correctly stated this has gone way off topic from the original discussion of whaling.

 

[IFocus]

ahh. the mindset of the greeny...

caring for humans = sentimental stuff, caring for plants and animals = the most serious priority presumably?

B no plants and animals = no Humans

Focus

 

[--B--]

B no plants and animals = no Humans

Focus

i dont dispute that focus.

 

[Ageo]

B no plants and animals = no Humans

Focus

Who said anything about eliminating plants and animals?

 

[Timmy]

How much does whale meat cost?

 

[IFocus]

Quote:
In the days when Nokia was eating his whale meat the food source for whales was exponentially bigger than current stocks world wide which we will never see the like off again this is not scare mongering its fact. Whales will never recover to previous stock levels ever.

lol. what do u base this outrageous claim on?

B unfortunately the facts are outrageous Google around but try this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overfishing

cut some out for you

A major international scientific study released in November 2006 in the journal Science found that about one-third of all fishing stocks worldwide have collapsed (with a collapse being defined as a decline to less than 10% of their maximum observed abundance), and that if current trends continue all fish stocks worldwide will collapse within fifty years.[2]

Or try this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_krill

There are concerns that the overall biomass of Antarctic krill has been declining rapidly over the last few decades. Some scientists have speculated this value being as high as 80%.

Apologies for using wikipedia time is limited to find more credible sources but you get the idea

Focus

 

[IFocus]

I think the white one would be safe. Even a red neck like myself would draw the line at something as rare as that. By the way another white calf was supposed to have been spotted off the coast here this year. Migaloo is said to be a daddy.

Nioka don't get sentiment about just one whale they are all just as special do you know that whales used to be able to hear each other on the other side of the world?

Focus

 

[IFocus]

In the Australian today

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22958968-601,00.html

Humpback whales are considered to be facing a high risk of extinction.

According to the latest “Red List” of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources, the extinction risk of humpback whales is defined as “Vulnerable (VU), and that for minke whale as “Lower Risk” or “Nearly Threatened.”

 

[IFocus]

The Australian again so much for culture Grrrrrrrrrr

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22959881-601,00.html

WHALE meat has been sold as dog food in Japan and there is a push now to encourage children to consume it to help reduce stockpiles.

 

[chops_a_must]

lol. perhaps one of your worst arguments ever chops.

Given the circumstances, and our jousting, I'm surprised you didn't claim that as one of my better ones.

 

[murbella]

Lets be honest ladies and gents - the whalers harpoon these gentle giants, irrespective of those with calves in tow or not, then submerge them to drown before butchering them, only to have the meat fail to sell on the open market and instead be fed to school children, in the name of "scientific research". Here's where the "honesty" word comes in again. How can a culture so advanced, proud and civilised in so many ways, be so small in others.

 

[disarray]

How can a culture so advanced, proud and civilised in so many ways, be so small in others.

corporate interest. it screws with our civilisation as well.

 

[2020hindsight]

http://members.greenpeace.org/blog/staff_oceans/2005/12/22/eye_to_eye_with_a_dying_whale

Eye to eye with a dying whale

 

[noirua]

The world has to see things from a more caring point of view. However, they must see it from my point of view?

 

[skint]

Fish simply dont even come close to these Mammals (but it is essential to have carefully controlled and monitored sustainable fishing), whats next let the Japanese start turning Dolphins into Sushi? Barbequed Gorilla burgers? Lion roast? Pygmy pie perhaps?

Save the Whales!

Many still fail to appreciate that fundamental differences exist between a whale and a fish. Similar to other higher order mammals such as dolphins, gorillas, the other two species of chimpanzee (humans being the third), and elephants, whales experience both pain and emotion (eg.joy sadness, grieving) in not dissimilar ways to humans. Similar neurotransmitters and peptides functioning in the brain in strikingly similar fashion to humans, not to mention the behavioural observations that reinforce the point.
Whilst the jury is still out on whether fish experience pain at all, there is a country mile between whatever they do experience and what a whale (or other higher order mammal) experiences.
Talk of "sustainable harvesting" is nothing more than a euphamism for inhumane wholesale slaughter. The slaughter is not necessary for the survival of the Japanese, however a ban on whaling is vital for the survival of the whales. A post earlier from someone who lived in Japan suggested that the prevailing policies are not broadly endorsed by the Japanese generally, and are largely being promoted by some of older politicians in power. Lets hope its true and change occurs sooner rather than later.

 

[Whiskers]

This could be interesting!

I wonder if our navy is prepared to help enforce the ruling?

DJ Australian Judge Grants Anti-Whaling Ban Against Japanese Co 15/01/2008 02:44PM AEST

SYDNEY (AP)--An Australian judge Tuesday granted an activist group's request to ban a Japanese company from whaling in an Australian-declared animal sanctuary off Antarctica.

The ruling puts pressure on the Australian government to demand that Japan end its current whale hunt in the region, some of which takes place in the sanctuary.

However, Japan does not recognize Australia's declaration of the whale sanctuary, and has said previously it would ignore such an Australian court injunction if it was granted.


(END) Dow Jones Newswires

January 14, 2008 22:44 ET (03:44 GMT)

Copyright (c) 2008 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.

 

[Buddy]

Well I'm not going to get into the debate on the pros and cons that are being put in this thread. But for the record, I'm against killing of these beautiful creatures. And also, surely sustainable tourism (whale watching) will be more profitable for everyone (not to mention the whales) in the long term than killing whales.

But my great fear is.... Do any of you remember the Star Trek episode where the great whale in the sky threatened to eliminate earth in revenge for the earth people killing off the whales? Yeah, well, what if there is a great whale in the sky? Are you willing to risk that for a few whale hamburgers?

 

[mime]

**** someone has got to stand up in the ALP and beat Japan over the head with a large stick. Come on Kevin! I didn't vote for you but I will have much more respect for you if you can stop the pricks from plundering OUR oceans. Where was the Greens comments? Bob Brown in MIA.

 

[Julia]

I'm completely opposed to what the Japanese are doing, but the government is between a rock and a hard place in view of our dependence on trade with Japan.
It will be interesting to see how they manage this court ruling.
Certainly they have backed down from their strong stand during the election campaign.