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Japanese Whaling?

What is your view on Japanese whaling?

  • Whaling Sucks! I'm going to boycott Japanese products!

    Votes: 17 24.6%

  • Whaling Sucks!

    Votes: 43 62.3%

  • Kill the Whales!

    Votes: 7 10.1%

  • Indifferent ...

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Total voters
    69
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Japanese cant pump out many Cars and gadgets without our resources, I rekon they need us more than we need them !
 
Im a vegan, I also lived in japan.
Fully against whaling and all other meat industries. Whales really are big and spectacular, and they are in less numbers. But people are getting so anti-whaling and don't see the stuff that goes on in their own country too.
I blogged about whaling recently with a summary of points etc..

http://www.barnz2k.com/blog/index.php/2008/01/13/211

Some green groups are about media etc, because sometimes its the only way to get the message across. But the greenpeace ship found and was following one of the Japanese boats well before the AUS naval/gov ship was even close to it.

Politically things could actually happen, Kevin will take us towards china and away from Japan, this does scare them.
 
This has been a pretty interesting thread so far. Personally I am against whaling. I think some of the comparisons on the first page were a little ridiculous. It would be interesting to see how many people in Japan were actually pro whaling, I would be surprised if it wasn't a minority - Does anyone know what percentage of the people over there actually eat whale.
Another point I would like to see politicians and activists raise is - where exactly is the research published that has been conducted and what benefits have been taken so far? Why aren't these points used in a more constructive manner when debating the pro's and con's of this practice - I think the whole world would be a bit more accepting if they cured cancer or heart disease as a result of this so called research. To date I think hunger is the only thing that has been cured
 
wayneL said:
...or could take the US approach and bomb Tokyo. :p:
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Wayne this is way over the top and dumb you know we don't have a "bomb"

Using the Collins Class for some thing useful and torpedoing the whaling fleet more appropriate I think.......


Focus
 
Piracy?

Boarding another ship without invitation can be seen as an act of piracy and no doubt this is how the japanese sailors would have viewed their new guests. This is nothing but a cunning strategic move on part of the crew of Steve Irwin to send two of their sailors onto yushin maru no2. I would put money on it they both put on a fresh pair of underpants before they left knowing they wouldn't be coming back anytime soon. The captain and crew on board the japanese vessels would be very nervous with the Steve Irwin hanging around. http://www.seashepherd.org/whales/ have a checkers of that website, I am not exactly what they mean by scuttling ships on that webpage. The Sea shepherd organisation have been pretty ruthless in the protests of the past.
Perhaps this more aggressive approach is exactly what the anti-whaling movement needs. I myself wont be falling for the story of the 2 sailors involved simply being message bearers.
I reckon they will be on board until the ship returns to land, which will be a couple of days before the tele-series is aired on channel 9.
best of luck to the crew of Steve Irwin and hopefully you wont be chasing whalers next season due to lack of whaling activity
 
ScottyOfAus said:
This has been a pretty interesting thread so far. Personally I am against whaling. I think some of the comparisons on the first page were a little ridiculous. It would be interesting to see how many people in Japan were actually pro whaling, I would be surprised if it wasn't a minority - Does anyone know what percentage of the people over there actually eat whale.
Another point I would like to see politicians and activists raise is - where exactly is the research published that has been conducted and what benefits have been taken so far? Why aren't these points used in a more constructive manner when debating the pro's and con's of this practice - I think the whole world would be a bit more accepting if they cured cancer or heart disease as a result of this so called research. To date I think hunger is the only thing that has been cured
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To date, the Japanese have not published one article in a peer reviewed journal. Their activities have absolutely diddley-squat to do with "research".
 
And we should be pushing that one home and exploiting that fact. We all know its a farce and if that can be proven then their research excuse would be redundant. Surely that could be used in some international court or presented to whoever the governing body is on this matter
 
According to this , the 2 hostages will ( arguably) have to be tried under anti-terrorism laws :eek: - i.e. no options in the matter.

(THe captain thinks he has it covered though )


http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s2141019.htm
TOM IGGULDEN: Even if Mr Potts and Mr Lane are safely delivered from the Yushin Maru, that may not end matters.

Sydney University International Law lecturer, Tim Stephens, says they may have broken an international law passed after the 1985 terrorist hijack of the Achilli Lauro.

TIM STEPHENS: It was an act of force of sorts in actually boarding the vessel without the permission of the Japanese master.

So arguably they come within this convention and there is an Australian law which gives effect to this convention which they could be in breach of if they find themselves within Australian jurisdiction.

So arguably that may well require the Australian Government to take action.

TOM IGGULDEN: Is it something the Australian Government could just ignore and do nothing about?

TIM STEPHENS: Well I'm not so sure about that because one of the things about these counter terrorism conventions of which these Achilli Lauro convention is one, is that it actually requires states' parties to either prosecute offenders or to extradite them to a jurisdiction where they will face prosecution.

TOM IGGULDEN: But the inside of a courtroom is about the furthest thing from Captain Watson's mind as he continues his chase of the Japanese whaling fleet.

PAUL WATSON: I would love to have that case, yeah we could be the first pirates on trial in the 21st Century, but I'll tell you, we had a loophole. And that was that I sent them on board with a letter of intent.

And that letter was very specific in what their intentions were to be given to the Captain, and that will negate any charges of piracy. So I'm not too concerned.

ASHLEY HALL: Captain Paul Watson of the Steve Irwin ending Tom Iggulden's report.
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2020hindsight said:
According to this , the 2 hostages will ( arguably) have to be tried under anti-terrorism laws :eek: - i.e. no options in the matter.

(THe captain thinks he has it covered though )


http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s2141019.htm
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Sounds as though it would be OK to break into someones home as long as you hand them a "letter of intent". Is that what the hostages say gives them the right to board the Japanese vessel. A letter of intent!!! Captain Bligh would never have accepted it. Have you heard the one about Captain Bligh when an intruder on his ship said "Captain you are standing on my foot." Bligh's reply, "Cut off his foot Mr. Christian."
Maybe the Japanese Captain will interogate them in Egypt and then send them to Cuba for 5 years.( Pity Hicks wasn't carrying a letter of intent.)
 
nioka said:
Sounds as though it would be OK to break into someones home as long as you hand them a "letter of intent". Is that what the hostages say gives them the right to board the Japanese vessel. A letter of intent!!! Captain Bligh would never have accepted it. Have you heard the one about Captain Bligh when an intruder on his ship said "Captain you are standing on my foot." Bligh's reply, "Cut off his foot Mr. Christian."
Maybe the Japanese Captain will interogate them in Egypt and then send them to Cuba for 5 years.( Pity Hicks wasn't carrying a letter of intent.)
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lol -
must admit it sounded weird to me ;)
(but I'm no lawyer)

IN WHICH CASE.. you'd have to conclude that there is a good chance that the apparently inflexible anti-terror laws may have caught..... what the ....... a couple of anti-whaling protesters? :confused:
 
Another thought. Will the prisoners be fed whale meat? If they are will they eat it for Scientific research?.
 
whattya reckon nioka - ? London to a brick these blokes side with the whales , rather than either the Japanese or Aussie Govts? bet they don't cooperate - then again, they may not have any choice in the matter :2twocents.

"I've been eye to eye with a dying whale" as they say .. :(

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/01/17/2141098.htm

Sea Shepherd will only accept 'unconditional' Govt help
Posted 1 hour 8 minutes ago

The anti-whaling group Sea Shepherd says it will accept the Australian Government's offer to help defuse a stand-off over two of its crew members, who are being held on a Japanese whaling ship.

The Government has offered to use the customs ship the Oceanic Viking to transfer the two men, Benjamin Potts and Briton Giles Lane from the Japanese ship to the Sea Shepherd ship the Steve Irwin.

The captain of the Steve Irwin, Paul Watson, says he will cooperate with the Government as long as there is no conditions attached to the exchange.

"Yes we certainly would but nobody from the Government has been in contact with us," he said.

"I don't know where the Oceanic Viking is, we're right near the Yushin Maru II.

"We'll certainly cooperate. We'd like to get them back."

Mr Watson rejected suggestions the pair of protesters acted legally.

"They went on board with a letter of intent," he said.

"There's a precedent set for that and it would be a good defence if there's any charges."

Foreign Affairs Minister Stephen Smith says the Oceanic Viking is in the region and is trying to seek the cooperation of all parties.

"What is required now to transfer those two men is the agreement of the Japanese Government, which we have, the agreement of the Australian Government, which we have," Mr Smith said.

"We now need the full and complete cooperation of the two vessels, the two captains and the two men concerned."

He says he is expecting the parties to cooperate and if that cooperation is not forthcoming from either skipper he would question their motives.
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