The Albanese government

[sptrawler]

Exactly, which is why I vehemently and against any modern day reparation.

Well I have worked and lived with them and unless a way forward is found things will get a whole lot worse.

I personally think the only way of moving forward is to give the kids purpose and skills, the problem is the places that have the worst social issues, also have the worst employment opportunities.

Therefore tying the training to their housing and infrastructure maintenance really is an obvious opportunity, to give them ownership and responsibility.

If part of the reparation is transferring their housing and infrastructure over to them and skilling them up to look after it, there really doesn't seem to be a downside to me.

At the moment they have no ownership and very little reason to look after it.

 

[farmerge]

Additionally, how much have we all paid already through various programs? It is already many many billions.

And still the outstretched hand is always there "We want more"

 

[sptrawler]

It has been proven time and time again that the various Aboriginal communities and Corporations are not capable of running anything.
They would not even be able to run a chocolate wheel successfully

The difference now is, they are asking for responsibility, that is a huge difference.

In the past money has just been thrown at the issue, without responsibility or accountability, now the whole issue has been taken to a new level, the Govt spent a lot of money on a referendum, which the nation threw out.

But the issue is now front and centre, they say the are mature enough to take redponsibility and make changes, well put then give them the tools to prove it.

As you say, in the past many projects have been given to them and have turned into a disaster.

This time they say it is different, they want to make the change, rather than having it forced on them, well it is a great opportunity to see if the cycle can be broken, or if it is just more of the same.

 

[farmerge]

The difference now is, they are asking for responsibility, that is a huge difference.

In the past money has just been thrown at the issue, without responsibility or accountability, now the whole issue has been taken to a new level, the Govt spent a lot of money on a referendum, which the nation threw out.

But the issue is now front and centre, they say the are mature enough to take redponsibility and make changes, well put then give them the tools to prove it.

As you say, in the past many projects have been given to them and have turned into a disaster.

This time they say it is different, they want to make the change, rather than having it forced on them, well it is a great opportunity to see if the cycle can be broken, or if it is just more of the same.

A couple of disasters that come to mind.
The Desert Citrus Orchard at Wiluna a few years ago.
Too bloody lazy to check the watering system.
And then there was the utter debacle with the cattle station which was handed to them as a going concern, in the North-West, not that long ago.
Cattle died of thirst, because the watering points weren't working.
I can't really see anything changing if they have control again.

 

[sptrawler]

A couple of disasters that come to mind.
The Desert Citrus Orchard at Wiluna a few years ago.
Too bloody lazy to check the watering system.
And then there was the utter debacle with the cattle station which was handed to them as a going concern, in the North-West, not that long ago.
Cattle died of thirst, because the watering points weren't working.
I can't really see anything changing if they have control again.

Yes the orchard outside of Wiluna and the adjoining emu farm was a disaster, we put an extra unit in the Wiluna power station and i had to go out to the farm to explain that the power would be off overnight as we extended the switchboard, the manager was going mad about the fact they wouldn't pick the fruit so it was all rotting on the ground.
It was an amazing set up produced a lot of oranges, but as you say it ended up abandoned.
That was in the 1980's so maybe attitudes have changed, who knows, but we can't stop trying to make changes to improve their outcomes.
The big problem is trying to ensure the assistance gets to the grass roots and isn't syphoned off on the way down the food chain and that happens in all walks of life as the NDIS is showing.
What's the old saying "the road to hell is littered with good intent, or something to that effect.
Getting people motivated to work, when they haven't worked for a long time, is not an easy thing.

 

[SirRumpole]

Getting people motivated to work, when they haven't worked for a long time, is not an easy thing.

Cut off social security?

 

[sptrawler]

Cut off social security?

It isn't socially acceptable.

 

[qldfrog]

Todays news, 1.6 billions extra deficit with extra funding for veterans.
46000 veterans,
extra funding of 1.6billions so an extra $35k this year per veteran .
Hope they enjoy it.
Am i the only one believing that few veterans will see an extra $35k cheque?
What a waste basket...

 

[farmerge]

Todays news, 1.6 billions extra deficit with extra funding for veterans.
46000 veterans,
extra funding of 1.6billions so an extra $35k this year per veteran .
Hope they enjoy it.
Am i the only one believing that few veterans will see an extra $35k cheque?
What a waste basket...

I would surmise that pigs will be flying past first than veterans getting anything like $35k extra.

 

[wayneL]

I would surmise that pigs will be flying past first than veterans getting anything like $35k extra.

Yeah, it will cost 1.5b to administer it.

 

[farmerge]

Yeah, it will cost 1.5b to administer it.

@wayneL Well, the fat cats and public servants need to be kept in the luxury that they are accustomed to, I reckon.
The Vets, well just throw out the crumbs and mumble be grateful you Bars***ds.
A mate of mine has just gone through the hoops to get hearing aids for his deafened ears.
Spent many years as a heavy artillery Sgt and suffered the fate of the constant loud bangs.
It got to the point where he nearly gave up, but finally got a sympathetic ear and the cost was approved.

 

[sptrawler]

@wayneL Well, the fat cats and public servants need to be kept in the luxury that they are accustomed to, I reckon.
The Vets, well just throw out the crumbs and mumble be grateful you Bars***ds.
A mate of mine has just gone through the hoops to get hearing aids for his deafened ears.
Spent many years as a heavy artillery Sgt and suffered the fate of the constant loud bangs.
It got to the point where he nearly gave up, but finally got a sympathetic ear and the cost was approved.

Yes the wife's grandfather, went to his grave hoping for a service medal, which he didn't get.
He was a stretcher bearer on the Somme apparently and stretcher bearers didn't qualify.

 

[farmerge]

Yes the wife's grandfather, went to his grave hoping for a service medal, which he didn't get.
He was a stretcher bearer on the Somme apparently and stretcher bearers didn't qualify.

Just as dangerous to catch a stray bullet

 

[sptrawler]

Just as dangerous to catch a stray bullet

He apparently was hospitalised due to mustard gas, but I never heard anything about him copping a bullet.

 

[JohnDe]

@JohnDe Though i generally don't agree with most politicians I certainly am in agreeance with wana-be PM Dutton.
One Flag for everyone and everything, thankyou.

I have a family member that works with the SA TAFE system, received an email toady and I noticed that only two flags are shown -

A taxpayer funded department; I wonder if the SA government also only use two flags?

 

[farmerge]

I have a family member that works with the SA TAFE system, received an email toady and I noticed that only two flags are shown -

View attachment 189584
A taxpayer funded department; I wonder if the SA government also only use two flags?

@JohnDe Still one flag too many.

 

[farmerge]

I don't see the patriotism flag being flown, I see a political leader expressing the views of a large proportion of the public - people are tired of all the political correctness.

Last night I attended a dinner function at my local football club for sponsors and the fund-raising group, these are smart successful people, with opinions that are fairly mainstream. After finances, team performance, next seasons news, etc, the discussion on the floor was pretty much what Dutton has been saying, people agree with him.

As I was walking one person next to me said "If they play welcome to country again, I am walking out". I thought to myself, 'looks like you'll be walking, because they always do the welcome to country'. To my surprise, there was no welcome to country, just a welcome to all who attended.

@JohnDe Now that last sentence is how it should be.

 

[sptrawler]

Labor can’t make a thing stick to Dutton, the Mr Teflon of empty politics

Peter Dutton’s nuclear policy is riddled with holes. But it may be that credibility on the details is simply not what matters about Dutton: his image is of toughness, not policy smarts.

www.theage.com.au

That is the downside of making yourself a small target, it is difficult to land a blow on the opposition, when it should be quite easy.

Hopefully Albo has a plan to build his presence, or maybe he has an eye on the exits, time will tell.

 

[JohnDe]

Labor can’t make a thing stick to Dutton, the Mr Teflon of empty politics

Peter Dutton’s nuclear policy is riddled with holes. But it may be that credibility on the details is simply not what matters about Dutton: his image is of toughness, not policy smarts.

www.theage.com.au

That is the downside of making yourself a small target, it is difficult to land a blow on the opposition, when it should be quite easy.

Hopefully Albo has a plan to build his presence, or maybe he has an eye on the exits, time will tell.

Small target? I suppose some would call standing up against the government and big industry with a different point of view during a national referendum as small or calling for a nuclear power industry against the money of the government and the renewables industry as small or standing up for Israel against the might of the Left and the ABC and the silence of the government is small, for some.

However, for many voters those decisions by Dutton are big ticket items, the average Aussie voter sided with Dutton and voted No, the average voter is looking at nuclear energy, and they support a democratic Israeli country over a terrorist enclave.

 

[sptrawler]

Small target? I suppose some would call standing up against the government and big industry with a different point of view during a national referendum as small or calling for a nuclear power industry against the money of the government and the renewables industry as small or standing up for Israel against the might of the Left and the ABC and the silence of the government is small, for some.

However, for many voters those decisions by Dutton are big ticket items, the average Aussie voter sided with Dutton and voted No, the average voter is looking at nuclear energy, and they support a democratic Israeli country over a terrorist enclave.

I wasn't talking about Dutton, he isn't doing the small target approach.