The state of the economy at the street level

[farmerge]

Tree Huggers , are like members of the Bradfield Party , they mean well, but because they are so passionate about their pet subject(s), they lose a sense of realism.
I am always a tad wary of anyone who says they passionate about anything, they tend to lose their ability to be rational.
There are few folk like that here on ASF,
Mick

@mullokintyre I am quite passionate about some things but don't suffer tunnel vision because of it.
At the moment I am more than passionate about standing upright and staying that way and casting a shadow.

 

[wayneL]

@mullokintyre I am quite passionate about some things but don't suffer tunnel vision because of it.
At the moment I am more than passionate about standing upright and staying that way and casting a shadow.

Fair.

 

[qldfrog]

To put things in perspective:

I am sure there is some use in society or culture, food hospitality and personal services University degrees but somewhat limited
People spending $137k and 3y for a creative art uni degree..i see that as insane

 

[divs4ever]

To put things in perspective:
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I am sure there is some use in society or culture, food hospitality and personal services University degrees but somewhat limited
People spending $137k and 3y for a creative art uni degree..i see that as insane

have you seen some of the 'art ' .. one might have thought counselling might have been a better option , but no they had to express their feelings to the public

 

[farmerge]

have you seen some of the 'art ' .. one might have thought counselling might have been a better option , but no they had to express their feelings to the public

Yikes
The graffiti artists do a much better job on the sides of the rail wagons that we see at the level crossing at Midland.

 

[over9k]

To put things in perspective:
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I am sure there is some use in society or culture, food hospitality and personal services University degrees but somewhat limited
People spending $137k and 3y for a creative art uni degree..i see that as insane

Narrative. It's finally starting to shift but there's plenty of work to do yet.


I don't like the way they've counted it though - I'd run the sums on all the tuition fees and then the net difference of student payments vs working a fair paying but dead end job and then include investing the money in a basic unit or some type of investment property rather than the degree.

There's a lot of gen Z kids that have realised that degrees are not the investment they used to be and are just working and investing in investment properties from like 19 like this kid here: https://www.tiktok.com/@propertywithharley

If I could go back in time it's exactly what I would do and if I had an 18 year old kid here right now asking me "do I go to uni or not?" I'd be telling them to do the exact same thing as this kid has.

He's going to be very comfortably retired by 30.

 

[qldfrog]

Narrative. It's finally starting to shift but there's plenty of work to do yet.


I don't like the way they've counted it though - I'd run the sums on all the tuition fees and then the net difference of student payments vs working a fair paying but dead end job and then include investing the money in a basic unit or some type of investment property rather than the degree.

There's a lot of gen Z kids that have realised that degrees are not the investment they used to be and are just working and investing in investment properties from like 19 like this kid here: https://www.tiktok.com/@propertywithharley

If I could go back in time it's exactly what I would do and if I had an 18 year old kid here right now asking me "do I go to uni or not?" I'd be telling them to do the exact same thing as this kid has.

He's going to be very comfortably retired by 30.

The figures at least include accommodation/living costs along these 3y.. something often bypassed, adding 3 y of study has serious cost:
For a surgeon, IT or engineer..well you need the degree, extra education so it is needed.
I doubt a painter, singer/songwriter or book writer is getting his success thru following a cursus and a bachelor of art.
Do not take me wrong, i am all for knowledge, cartesian thinking, sciences, geo politics, history and as well literature but i perfectly know the output of Australian universities..abysmal, sheeps swallowing any BS, no science background and knowledge restricted to at best a narrow technical field based on degree.
Sadly, i am afraid you are right, to a kid,get a TAFE, and follow the Australian dream..

 

[over9k]

i am afraid you are right, to a kid,get a TAFE, and follow the Australian dream..

Don't even do that. Just work FIFO as a cleaner and invest it. You're retired before 30.

A LOT of my generation went straight into the mines way back but those dudes spent everything they made and are now kicking themselves in the way us uni grads are.

It's for an entirely different reason, but they still are.

 

[farmerge]

The figures at least include accommodation/living costs along these 3y.. something often bypassed, adding 3 y of study has serious cost:
For a surgeon, IT or engineer..well you need the degree, extra education so it is needed.
I doubt a painter, singer/songwriter or book writer is getting his success thru following a cursus and a bachelor of art.
Do not take me wrong, i am all for knowledge, cartesian thinking, sciences, geo politics, history and as well literature but i perfectly know the output of Australian universities..abysmal, sheeps swallowing any BS, no science background and knowledge restricted to at best a narrow technical field based on degree.
Sadly, i am afraid you are right, to a kid,get a TAFE, and follow the Australian dream..

@qldfrog My sons (2) oldest got a TAFE education and is a Heavy Diesel Fitter in the Pilbara,
Other son went onto Uni and is a qualified Vet and skilled surgeon.
Both have done very well, but guess which one earns the most per annum.
Yeap the TAFE Degree wins hands down.