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Knobby22 said:
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Baltic states desperately building a railway linked to Poland.

www.bbc.com

In Russia's shadow: The Baltics wait for Europe's strategic new railway

Building the link to western Europe has become more urgent as the Baltics see Russia as a threat.
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it's hardly desperate. Soviet rail guage is different to European .

Russia uses the broad gauge, which is 1,520 millimeters (4 feet 11 27⁄32 inches) wide, also known as Russian gauge or CIS gauge. On the other hand, most of Europe uses the standard gauge, which is 1,435 millimeters (4 feet 8 1⁄2 inches) wide.
 
Dona Ferentes said:
it's hardly desperate. Soviet rail guage is different to European .

Russia uses the broad gauge, which is 1,520 millimeters (4 feet 11 27⁄32 inches) wide, also known as Russian gauge or CIS gauge. On the other hand, most of Europe uses the standard gauge, which is 1,435 millimeters (4 feet 8 1⁄2 inches) wide.
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They are putting in the Euro gauge to get properly connected to Europe before the Russians are ready to expand. Estonia in particular has been threatened by Putin.

As you know the Russians have land on the other side of Lithuania.

www.google.com.au

Estonia shields itself from the Russian threat: ‘We could hold out for a couple of weeks until the allies arrive’

The Baltic country, one of the EU’s staunchest opponents of the Kremlin, is strengthening its military capabilities, while NATO increases its presence in the region
www.google.com.au www.google.com.au
 
36 hours after the phone call between Scholz and Putin, as well as President-elect Trump's warning not to escalate, Russia launched its first massive winter missile attack.

According to official Ukrainian source:
"A massive combined attack targeted all regions of Ukraine. Overnight and this morning, Russian terrorists used various types of drones, including Shaheds, as well as cruise, ballistic, and aeroballistic missiles - Zircons, Iskanders, and Kinzhals. In total, approximately 120 missiles and 90 drones were launched. Our air defense forces destroyed over 140 aerial targets.
"Damage is reported to infrastructure, especially in Kryvyi Riv, where energy and water supply has been suspended. In Dnipro train infrastructure has been effected. Areas in Mykolaiv and Lviv have been struck as well. Human casualties have been reported across the country."
 
Dona Ferentes said:
36 hours after the phone call between Scholz and Putin, as well as President-elect Trump's warning not to escalate, Russia launched its first massive winter missile attack.

According to official Ukrainian source:
"A massive combined attack targeted all regions of Ukraine. Overnight and this morning, Russian terrorists used various types of drones, including Shaheds, as well as cruise, ballistic, and aeroballistic missiles - Zircons, Iskanders, and Kinzhals. In total, approximately 120 missiles and 90 drones were launched. Our air defense forces destroyed over 140 aerial targets.
"Damage is reported to infrastructure, especially in Kryvyi Riv, where energy and water supply has been suspended. In Dnipro train infrastructure has been effected. Areas in Mykolaiv and Lviv have been struck as well. Human casualties have been reported across the country."
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And the war keeps escalating.

www.abc.net.au

Zelenskyy says missiles will 'speak for themselves' after apparent US policy change allows Russia strikes

President Joe Biden has permitted Ukraine to use long-range missiles supplied by the US to strike targets inside Russia, in a major foreign-policy about-face one Kremlin source has described as "a very big step towards the start of World War Three".
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
Well this is pretty unbelievable, crickets? As some would say.
Speaks for itself really.

www.abc.net.au

Zelenskyy says missiles will 'speak for themselves' after apparent US policy change allows Russia strikes

President Joe Biden has permitted Ukraine to use long-range missiles supplied by the US to strike targets inside Russia, in a major foreign-policy about-face one Kremlin source has described as "a very big step towards the start of World War Three".
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

In short:​

President Joe Biden has permitted Ukraine to use long-range missiles supplied by the US to strike targets inside Russian territory, according to multiple US media reports.

It's a major policy change from the White House, which had previously insisted US weapons could only be used against Russia's forces in Ukraine.

What's next?​

It is not clear when Volodymyr Zelenskyy's forces may use the new freedom, but a Russian politician has described it as "a very big step towards the start of World War Three".
 
sptrawler said:
Well this is pretty unbelievable, crickets? As some would say.

www.abc.net.au

Zelenskyy says missiles will 'speak for themselves' after apparent US policy change allows Russia strikes

President Joe Biden has permitted Ukraine to use long-range missiles supplied by the US to strike targets inside Russia, in a major foreign-policy about-face one Kremlin source has described as "a very big step towards the start of World War Three".
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

In short:​

President Joe Biden has permitted Ukraine to use long-range missiles supplied by the US to strike targets inside Russian territory, according to multiple US media reports.

It's a major policy change from the White House, which had previously insisted US weapons could only be used against Russia's forces in Ukraine.

What's next?​

It is not clear when Volodymyr Zelenskyy's forces may use the new freedom, but a Russian politician has described it as "a very big step towards the start of World War Three".
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I would have thought that the Russin invasion of Ukraine was the beginning of a 3rd WW.
The more help the Ukrainians get the better.
 
farmerge said:
I would have thought that the Russin invasion of Ukraine was the beginning of a 3rd WW.
The more help the Ukrainians get the better.
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Not really, because it is a limited war, Russia isn't in the position to use undue force, without backlash.
Now if Ukrain become the aggressor, well Russia is well within it's rights to use what arsenal they have at their disposal to retaliate.
Well that's the way I would see it, but I'm no expert.
The bizarre thing is why would Biden escalate the situation, as he leaves office, just nasty but the big US arms manufacturers will be pleased IMO.
Looks like the puppet masters just throwing a hand grenade as they leave the white house.
 
sptrawler said:
Well this is pretty unbelievable, crickets? As some would say.
Speaks for itself really.

www.abc.net.au

Zelenskyy says missiles will 'speak for themselves' after apparent US policy change allows Russia strikes

President Joe Biden has permitted Ukraine to use long-range missiles supplied by the US to strike targets inside Russia, in a major foreign-policy about-face one Kremlin source has described as "a very big step towards the start of World War Three".
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

In short:​

President Joe Biden has permitted Ukraine to use long-range missiles supplied by the US to strike targets inside Russian territory, according to multiple US media reports.

It's a major policy change from the White House, which had previously insisted US weapons could only be used against Russia's forces in Ukraine.

What's next?​

It is not clear when Volodymyr Zelenskyy's forces may use the new freedom, but a Russian politician has described it as "a very big step towards the start of World War Three".
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Dmitry Peskov would be proud of you.
 
Dona Ferentes said:
Dmitry Peskov would be proud of you.
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I don't know why he would be proud of me, it boils down to common sense, which as we say isn't common.

Currently Russia is actually losing, due to making no major inroads, as happened with the U.S in Vietnam.
Eventually the U.S had to withdraw, mainly due to public sentiment at home, the same in Afghanistan for both the U.S and Russia.

If Ukraine cranks it up a notch, well who knows where that ends.
Maybe you guys know?
 
sptrawler said:
I don't know why he would be proud of me, it boils down to common sense, which as we say isn't common.

Currently Russia is actually losing, due to making no major inroads, as happened with the U.S in Vietnam.
Eventually the U.S had to withdraw, mainly due to public sentiment at home, the same in Afghanistan for both the U.S and Russia.

If Ukraine cranks it up a notch, well who knows where that ends.
Maybe you guys know?
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What about the deterrent effect of the missiles?

Surely Ukraine should be able to defend itself any way they see fit?
 
SirRumpole said:
What about the deterrent effect of the missiles?

Surely Ukraine should be able to defend itself any way they see fit?
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Absolutely, but it has to be weighed up against the pros and cons.
Will Ukraine be able to blow Russia into submission?

Or like the Afghans and Vietnam, do they just make the invasion a political noose around Putins neck?

It's a big call either way, but I always found when I bit off more than I could chew I got my ar$e kicked.

It is just strange that Biden, who seems to be struggling with personal issues, would make this call when he is basically a caretaker President.

Personally it is upto those concerned, I as you at this point in time are just observers, being fed information through the media.
 
sptrawler said:
Absolutely, but it has to be weighed up against the pros and cons.
Will it be able to blow Russia into submission?
Or like the Afghans and Vietnam, do they just make the invasion a political noose around Putins neck?
It's a big call either way, but I always found when I bit off more tgan I could chew I got my ar$e kicked.
It is just strange that Biden, who seems to be struggling with personal issues, would make this call when he is basically a caretaker President, even that's a stretch when you consider Kamila has been the main focus.
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I think Biden is just trying to give Ukraine a fighting chance before Trump takes over and possibly hands Ukraine over to Putin.
 
SirRumpole said:
I think Biden is just trying to give Ukraine a fighting chance before Trump takes over and possibly hands Ukraine over to Putin.
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I think if Trump did that it would be political suicide for the U.S and would be the end of the U.S, every Western country would abandon them.
Which no doubt many are hoping happens.

Let's see what happens eh.

I think Biden and the Democrats are trying to leave a poison challis, where the war escalates and Trump can be blamed.
Interesting times.
 
SirRumpole said:
? Maybe in the long term, but is Trump worried about that?

I don't think so.
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Like I said lets wait and see, if Biden had wanted to give Ukrain permission to escalate it, why wait untill he is voted out?

Timely to say the least.

But there is a propensity for some, to cut some political parties a lot of slack, while not giving others an inch and that goes for the left and the right leaning. Lol
 
SirRumpole said:
Maybe he is growing a pair in his old age? :smuggrin:
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Biden is bitter about the way he was treated by his "friends" in the Democrat party.
This is his revenge, just like wearing a MAGA hat, just like bothering to be greeting Trump cordially, praising Republican governor Desantis for his Hurricane response one day after Harris bagged De Santis out.
He also deliberately took the limelight from Harris on a number of occasions by making unscheduled announcements, just prior to Harris scheduled press conference, not attending Harris Rallies, and being obviously non supportive of his VP.
He probably has a few more tricks up his sleeve thst will make life difficult for everyone else.
Mick
 

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