Ukraine War

[Sean K]

The Nordic States are getting worried.

North Koreans in Russia, Ukraine about to fire deep into Russia, things are escalating.

 

[sptrawler]

I think Biden is just trying to give Ukraine a fighting chance before Trump takes over and possibly hands Ukraine over to Putin.

OK let's look at it another way.
What if Biden had said nothing and when Trump got into office he said, OK Ukraine I give permission for you to use long range missiles into Russia.
How would that have gone down?

Biden has pulled the pin on a grenade, hopefully Trump can put the pin back in.

 

[SirRumpole]

OK let's look at it another way.
What if Biden had said nothing and when Trump got into office he said, OK Ukraine I give permission for you to use long range missiles into Russia.
How would that have gone down?

Can't see the relevance of that, but I'll let it go through to the keeper.

 

[sptrawler]

Can't see the relevance of that, but I'll let it go through to the keeper.

Just a different way of looking at the same situation.

 

[SirRumpole]

Just a different way of looking at the same situation.

If Trump made the decision to let Ukraine use the missiles the way they wanted to, I would say good on him.

 

[IFocus]

The likely trigger for the missile discission is more to do with Russia's escalation of using North Korean troops rather than home politics...maybe.

The problem remains Putin has invaded a sovereign nation that happens to be in Europe and between his dictatorship and democracy.

If Putin went nuclear then it would certainly drawn in all players heading towards WWIII (doubt China would get directly involved).

The "Special Military Operation" still appears to have a lot of support in Russia.

 

[wayneL]

A reminder of what we are looking down the barrel of, before we get two carried away with they should do this and they should do that.

 

[sptrawler]

A reminder of what we are looking down the barrel of, before we get two carried away with they should do this and they should do that.

Everyone is a cheerleader, until it turns to $hit, then everyone loses their tongue, except the left who can always be relied on to blame someone else.

 

[sptrawler]

If Trump made the decision to let Ukraine use the missiles the way they wanted to, I would say good on him.

Hopefully I wont have to remind you of that quote, at a later date.

 

[wayneL]

Going long on potassium iodide

Russia starts mass-producing mobile bomb shelters

Russia's emergency ministry's research institute said the 'KUB-M' shelter could offer protection for 54 people for up to two days against natural and man-made hazards.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[wayneL]

Blessed are the peacemakers...

 

[wayneL]

I'm taking any reports of this stuff with a pinch of salt but if this is to be believed, it does seem that the Democrat administration is intent on escalating the war before Trump comes to office.

Not good, if true.

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/joe-biden-to-provide-ukraine-with-antipersonnel-landmines-to-bolster-kyivs-defences-against-russia/news-story/998069b4286b990ba45d37f8c102a22f

 

[Dona Ferentes]

"You are being dangerously manipulated by advocates of an aggressor power via irrational propagandistic fearmongering into supporting and justifying the occupation and extermination of a 40-million European nation under the false pretext of "saving the world from World War III." The aggressor power is right now committing all of its propagandistic resources and assets to manipulate public opinion in the United States and other western nations. Do not sign up for a crime of historic proportions by blindly siding with the monster."
- Illia Ponomarenko

"I have been trying to spread this message. Any cracks in the coalition only provide Putin an opportunity to widen them through misinformation and provocation. Russian IPSO campaigns are not about ideas they made up, but keen observation of behaviors of people in Europe and the US through social media or the MSM. When they see a trend occurring that helps them in their hybrid disinformation war, they take advantage of it by amplifying it and directing their bots to focus on that messaging. Therefore, how we act and what we say can impact Ukraine's ultimate survival in this war."
- Ukrainian president V. O. Zelenskyy

 

[wayneL]

"You are being dangerously manipulated by advocates of an aggressor power via irrational propagandistic fearmongering into supporting and justifying the occupation and extermination of a 40-million European nation under the false pretext of "saving the world from World War III." The aggressor power is right now committing all of its propagandistic resources and assets to manipulate public opinion in the United States and other western nations. Do not sign up for a crime of historic proportions by blindly siding with the monster."
- Illia Ponomarenko

"I have been trying to spread this message. Any cracks in the coalition only provide Putin an opportunity to widen them through misinformation and provocation. Russian IPSO campaigns are not about ideas they made up, but keen observation of behaviors of people in Europe and the US through social media or the MSM. When they see a trend occurring that helps them in their hybrid disinformation war, they take advantage of it by amplifying it and directing their bots to focus on that messaging. Therefore, how we act and what we say can impact Ukraine's ultimate survival in this war."
- Ukrainian president V. O. Zelenskyy

Like I said earlier, long on potassium iodide.... and non-perishables.

...and toilet paper?

 

[moXJO]

Like I said earlier, long on potassium iodide.... and non-perishables.

...and toilet paper?

Bullets and firearms. That way you can take everyone elses

 

[wayneL]

 

[Dona Ferentes]

понты

 

[Dona Ferentes]

so what's new?

27-28 Nov

Consequences of a massive strike on Ukraine. missiles, Shaheds,
Lutsk: Several strikes reported. Part of the city is without power; electric transport is not operational. Critical infrastructure is being powered by generators. Children are transitioning to online learning.
Rivne region: Over 280,000 households are without electricity. Water supply issues reported. Schools are moving to remote learning.
Kyiv: Debris fell on open areas in the Dnipro and Darnytskyi districts. Minor damage to several utility buildings and a cargo vehicle. No casualties reported so far.
Kharkiv: Industrial facilities and a multi-story building were damaged.
Vinnytsia region: Residential buildings were damaged, and a utility building was destroyed. One person was injured.
Mykolaiv: Power outages have halted trolleybuses, trams, and educational institutions.
Sumy region: Several infrastructure facilities were destroyed. Schools, a hospital, multi-story buildings, and water supply facilities were damaged.
Odesa region: Emergency power outages are in effect due to missile strikes, not following schedules. Schools are switching to remote learning for the first shift. Six private houses were damaged, and one person was injured.
Ivano-Frankivsk region: Several explosions were reported.
Lviv region: Multiple explosions heard. Critical infrastructure was hit.
Kropyvnytskyi: Power outages and water supply disruptions.
Zhytomyr region: Emergency power outages.
Kherson: The city is without electricity, electric transport is not working, and water supply issues are possible.
"Ukrzaliznytsia" (Ukrainian Railways):** Some train delays exceed an hour, with certain sections of tracks

 

[farmerge]

so what's new?

27-28 Nov

Consequences of a massive strike on Ukraine. missiles, Shaheds,
Lutsk: Several strikes reported. Part of the city is without power; electric transport is not operational. Critical infrastructure is being powered by generators. Children are transitioning to online learning.
Rivne region: Over 280,000 households are without electricity. Water supply issues reported. Schools are moving to remote learning.
Kyiv: Debris fell on open areas in the Dnipro and Darnytskyi districts. Minor damage to several utility buildings and a cargo vehicle. No casualties reported so far.
Kharkiv: Industrial facilities and a multi-story building were damaged.
Vinnytsia region: Residential buildings were damaged, and a utility building was destroyed. One person was injured.
Mykolaiv: Power outages have halted trolleybuses, trams, and educational institutions.
Sumy region: Several infrastructure facilities were destroyed. Schools, a hospital, multi-story buildings, and water supply facilities were damaged.
Odesa region: Emergency power outages are in effect due to missile strikes, not following schedules. Schools are switching to remote learning for the first shift. Six private houses were damaged, and one person was injured.
Ivano-Frankivsk region: Several explosions were reported.
Lviv region: Multiple explosions heard. Critical infrastructure was hit.
Kropyvnytskyi: Power outages and water supply disruptions.
Zhytomyr region: Emergency power outages.
Kherson: The city is without electricity, electric transport is not working, and water supply issues are possible.
"Ukrzaliznytsia" (Ukrainian Railways):** Some train delays exceed an hour, with certain sections of tracks

@Dona Ferentes And yet Ukraine is doing a "David" against the "Golith" ie Russia.

 

[dyna]

First hour of Wednesday 4th Dec . podcast of ABC Radio's " Nightlife " features an update on the Russia and Ukraine war as winter approaches .
Features a couple of experts : Paul Dibb of the ANU and Shashank Joshi of The Economist .
Pretty good program .