The future of energy generation and storage

[sptrawler]

Especially if Sydney councils had ruled no new car but Lamborghini for taxis...
Smh is full woke and CC crazy, one area they are all brothers in arms with their ABC.
And fat chance having a tech. Input in these opinions

Especially if the HQ Kingswood taxis, had been running on coal rather than petrol for the last 50 years, just dumb reporters writing dumb stuff, to try and excuse their ignorance.

But hey that's why they are losing the young, the young just google why are coal power stations breaking down, then the answer becomes obvious.

What the reporters should be asking the Govt is, will this get a lot worse, before it gets better?
Then ask the question, well what is in place to make it better, then sit back and watch the spluttering. Lol

Simple questions, that obviously reporters aren't allowed to ask, or are just too dumb to ask and if that is the case, maybe they should give up reporting and get a trade, then they might actially be usefull. Lol

 

[SirRumpole]

Although the video is in the context of the US, the same could probably work here.

Window mounted DIY heat pumps.

 

[Smurf1976]

This is laugh, the SMH going on about the coal fired power station faltering, maybe if the Sydney taxis were still HQ Holden Kingswoods they would be faltering too.

Vales Point B (2 units) in service since 1979.

Eraring (4 units) progressively commissioned 1982-83

Bayswater (4 units) progressively commissioned 1985-86

Mt Piper (2 units) in service since 1993 although the bulk of construction was done in the 1980's, commissioning delayed as simply no need at the time - the recession kept demand down basically.

So not exactly new.

 

[sptrawler]

Vales Point B (2 units) in service since 1979.

Eraring (4 units) progressively commissioned 1982-83

Bayswater (4 units) progressively commissioned 1985-86

Mt Piper (2 units) in service since 1993 although the bulk of construction was done in the 1980's, commissioning delayed as simply no need at the time - the recession kept demand down basically.

So not exactly new.

Exactly, it is the same in W.A, Muja units 6, 7 &8 still running,built in the late 1970's, early 1980's.

 

[qldfrog]

Exactly, it is the same in W.A, Muja units 6, 7 &8 still running,built in the late 1970's, early 1980's.

Reading the above posts, where will our billions built solar and wind farms be in 44 years....
Probably teaching chemicals buried under frozen dry toundra
As most politicians do, why should we care but will have been great for GDP!

 

[qldfrog]

Nice article on yesterday NSW near disaster https://www.afr.com/companies/energ...-nsw-s-near-miss-on-blackouts-20241128-p5ku7o
Note that we avoided that near disaster by closing industrial activity , which IMHO is enough in itself to be a disaster.
Just less unpopular..

 

[SirRumpole]

More reports that the energy transition is not going well.

Clearly, more generation assets need to be in service ASAP.

Who is going to take responsibility ? (I think we know the answer to that).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/nsw-energy-supply-hot-weather-explainer/104658606

 

[sptrawler]

More reports that the energy transition is not going well.

Clearly, more generation assets need to be in service ASAP.

Who is going to take responsibility ? (I think we know the answer to that).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-29/nsw-energy-supply-hot-weather-explainer/104658606

Well it wasn't as though it wasn't predictable, there is a huge chasm between wanting to replace high energy density at call generation, with low energy density intermittent generation, in a short space of time.

Like I said in the beginning, let's hope it isn't another case of a great idea, with pizz poor planning, but unfortunately it is starting to look that way.

It is a shame really because as @Smurf1976 has said on numerous occasions, it is possible, but as with most things that are critical and technical, it usually involves small steps and an incredible amount of planning because the risks are huge.

 

[sptrawler]

Nice article on yesterday NSW near disaster https://www.afr.com/companies/energ...-nsw-s-near-miss-on-blackouts-20241128-p5ku7o
Note that we avoided that near disaster by closing industrial activity , which IMHO is enough in itself to be a disaster.
Just less unpopular..

The big issue is, summer isn't here yet.

 

[qldfrog]

The big issue is, summer isn't here yet.

I noted the ABC related article did not even blamed global warming..tells you how bad this is..
Putting purple colours on maps of 35C max forecast does not really cut it here as most know here
Indeed, what if it gets hot.....and worse dry and hot in our next drought cycle.....
Happy to be off the grid ...

 

[SirRumpole]

I noted the ABC related article did not even blamed global warming..tells you how bad this is..
Putting purple colours on maps of 35C max forecast does not really cut it here as most know here
Indeed, what if it gets hot.....and worse dry and hot in our next drought cycle.....
Happy to be off the grid ...

At least you read it.

 

[sptrawler]

I noted the ABC related article did not even blamed global warming..tells you how bad this is..
Putting purple colours on maps of 35C max forecast does not really cut it here as most know here
Indeed, what if it gets hot.....and worse dry and hot in our next drought cycle.....
Happy to be off the grid ...

Yes the oldest son is off grid, when he bought the 100acres about 4 years ago we sat down and discussed it, fortunately we are both sparkies.
So the issue was there is two phase agricultural supply running across the bottom of the block, but he would have to put in and be responsible for running the supply up the hill to his house, which from memory was about a 1km up hill, so several poles.
Then we had to factor in that as more people put batteries and solar in, the service charge will have to increase.
In the end it was pretty straight forward $40K to put in his own off grid system.
I'm thinking of building a place on his block, because I can see this all turning to manure in about 5 years time, when the coal plant dies and the Govt has to pour mega bucks in, to add hock a system.
Hopefully that doesn't happen, but still the only two new backup plant being installed by the Govt is Kurri Kurri and Snowy 2.0, thank god that is actually being built.

 

[SirRumpole]

Hopefully that doesn't happen, but still the only two new backup plant being installed by the Govt is Kurri Kurri and Snowy 2.0, thank god that is actually being built.

IMHO Labor if it gets another term will have to build more Kurri Kurri's, gas plants seem the only way to get peaking power available in a relatively short period of time.

They will also need a gas reservation policy, and stuff the gas exporter's contracts, the national interest comes first.

Has Labor got the guts to do it over the objections of the Greens? That really depends on the voters. If they want reliable power they will need to send the Greens a message to back off. That means not voting Green of course. Politics again.

 

[qldfrog]

At least you read it.

True, in my "what's the woke is about today" mindset, good to know your enemy..

 

[qldfrog]

IMHO Labor if it gets another term will have to build more Kurri Kurri's, gas plants seem the only way to get peaking power available in a relatively short period of time.

They will also need a gas reservation policy, and stuff the gas exporter's contracts, the national interest comes first.

Has Labor got the guts to do it over the objections of the Greens? That really depends on the voters. If they want reliable power they will need to send the Greens a message to back off. That means not voting Green of course. Politics again.

Even better, vote for the dark side ..politics.....

 

[sptrawler]

IMHO Labor if it gets another term will have to build more Kurri Kurri's, gas plants seem the only way to get peaking power available in a relatively short period of time.

They will also need a gas reservation policy, and stuff the gas exporter's contracts, the national interest comes first.

Has Labor got the guts to do it over the objections of the Greens? That really depends on the voters. If they want reliable power they will need to send the Greens a message to back off. That means not voting Green of course. Politics again.

Well let's put that into context, Labor were against Kurri Kurri when the Libs suggested it, unless it could run on gas and 30% hydrogen, now Kurri Kurri is going to actually run on diesel FFS.
And that's on Labors watch, they know now after 3 years how things are going, so obviously if another gas fired station was required, Labor would have already called for it, but that wouldn't be good optics.
I'm actually wonder, if foreign Govts are sponsoring some of these green can dreaming websites, that constantly say things are going great, when they aren't

I'm actually astounded that after 3 years the penny hasn't dropped with Labor, it is turning into a mess, but as usual the ideology overrides common sense with Labor.

I will still be voting for them, because I think they need to actually see something through, as with the NBN and the NDIS sometimes grandiose ideas are great in the formation years, but become hugely problematic in the implementation years.

I think it will make or break Labor, the downside is it could make or break the East Coast electricity grid, so let's give it a go and see what happens.
As the song said " what doesn't kill you makes you stronger".

My tip is Albo jumps ship after the election, if he had initiated battery manufacturing and fired up the Australian lithium and nickel and given people a bit of hope, he probably could have been an icon ATM I think he will bail .

 

[SirRumpole]

And that's on Labors watch, they know now after 3 years how things are going, so obviously if another gas fired station was required, Labor would have already called for it, but that wouldn't be good optics.

Can't do that now. Bandt would stamp his little feet and nothing would get done.

Effing politics is destroying this country.

 

[sptrawler]

Can't do that now. Bandt would stamp his little feet and nothing would get done.

Effing politics is destroying this country.

Fortunately I think a HUGE reality check is coming.

 

[qldfrog]

Fortunately I think a HUGE reality check is coming.

I mentioned this earlier but maybe a big pain now would be salutary.a couple of serious power outages, long ones, power from 10am to 3pm then all out, a few deaths and city breakdown (train/signage, lifts) in 2024 could save us from actual irreparable collapse with more damages and deaths later on, and serious issue now might trigger a wake up in the green brainwashed..but i doubt it..
Does not even work like this in the western democracies anymore

 

[sptrawler]

I mentioned this earlier but maybe a big pain now would be salutary.a couple of serious power outages, long ones, power from 10am to 3pm then all out, a few deaths and city breakdown (train/signage, lifts) in 2024 could save us from actual irreparable collapse with more damages and deaths later on, and serious issue now might trigger a wake up in the green brainwashed..but i doubt it..
Does not even work like this in the western democracies anymore

I actually think it will be bigger than that, any aspiring company wanting to grow their business can't afford to have 3rd world electrical supply, so they will either not gear up or just not move forward.

It all boils back to economics, if you don't have secure reasonably priced energy, you go to where they do.

If the Government isn't going to guarantee the supply of reliable renewable energy, that can be relied upon 24/7, why would you as a company risk your capital.

That's exactly what the great renewable hope Twiggy, Twigged onto, it was a hiding to nothing and he has moved his renewable investment overseas. Unfortunately it is all looking like a brain fart, that someone else will have to clean up.

ATTN mop and bucket aisle 7.

I just hope there is an early election and Albo gets another term, because IMO it will be epic, one way or the other.

The die is cast, it is either $hit or bust.