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If he does get another term I hope he doesn't have to rely on the Greens.
The TEALS are a bit climate ideological also and could cause trouble, although overall they seem a bit more sensible.
The future of energy generation and storage
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The TEALS are a bit climate ideological also and could cause trouble, although overall they seem a bit more sensible.
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I just hope he can get a zillion solar panels and thousands of batteries up an running quickly, or it is deep poo poo.
If he does it, it will be World beating and memorable, they will probably make it a national holiday, when they can actually say we don't need firming for renewables.
I honestly hope I'm alive to see it, it will happen, but it will take a long time IMO.
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And then a few bad storms and we get billions in shards which are highly cadmium contaminated and should require asbestos like handling.....
So back to 2024 scenario again within 10y..and only if we are not engaged in a trade war with China by then .
Actually China will hold us by the balls by then so we might be ok, be out of the us trade war and get new panels against more agricultural land .
Such a lucky country.. let's see how it goes..
10y will be enough to get a good idea of where we are heading i think
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Everything will be well and truly cast by then.
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Ohh yes, but no one will be able to ignore itEverything will be well and truly cast by then.
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A bit on the side vs main thread, but some interesting figures on home batteries cost, ROI, etc and what we could exoect at the grid level
www.afr.com
The unusual reason home batteries are making more financial sense
The price of installing batteries to go with your home solar system hasn’t changed much in years, but the rising cost of electricity is making storage more cost-effective.
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And another bit of knowledge about the sheer feasibility..or not... of NetZero
michaelwest.com.au
Better get back to living dying like our native ancestors in this parched yet flooded land of ours.
And i bet you the grid, your car or absence of and poor cows and roos will be supposed to make up for these missed targets
Carbon capture con. Giant Gorgon project captures less emissions than ever - Michael West
Energy economics research body says world’s largest carbon capture and storage project capturing less than half the emissions it planned to.
michaelwest.com.au
And i bet you the grid, your car or absence of and poor cows and roos will be supposed to make up for these missed targets
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All the talk in the world can not beat one piece of data.
The realities of battery effectiveness shows another more correct view.
Mick
The realities of battery effectiveness shows another more correct view.
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In a politically neutral engineering context batteries are peaking plant if correctly used. They're useful to cover short periods of high demand or provide an immediate response to plant failure but that's where it ends.
If the need is serious energy storage well there's a reason why the overwhelming majority of all storage globally is hydro. It's the most economic means of bulk storage by far.
It's not that this can't be made to work. It's just that as a society we're taking the approach of trying every possible option other than the right ones. Akin to the worker who takes on every possible task other than their actual job or the child who looks everywhere except where they know the missing thing is hidden. Going through the motions, making it look like we're really trying, when it's set up to fail.
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Politics before pragmatism. The reason nothing gets done in this country.In a politically neutral engineering context batteries are peaking plant if correctly used. They're useful to cover short periods of high demand or provide an immediate response to plant failure but that's where it ends.
If the need is serious energy storage well there's a reason why the overwhelming majority of all storage globally is hydro. It's the most economic means of bulk storage by far.
It's not that this can't be made to work. It's just that as a society we're taking the approach of trying every possible option other than the right ones. Akin to the worker who takes on every possible task other than their actual job or the child who looks everywhere except where they know the missing thing is hidden. Going through the motions, making it look like we're really trying, when it's set up to fail.
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China has built a 20MW wind turbine, that is amazing IMO.
www.eldiario24.com
On August 28, Mingyang Smart Energy, a maker of wind turbines, installed this 20 MW clean energy source. The turbine from Mingyang has been thoughtfully engineered to resist the wrath of typhoons and flourish at medium-to-high wind speeds. It’s interesting to note that it can tolerate winds of up to 79.8 m/s. It is definitely one of the strongest and best-built wind turbines so far.
Experts, however, are observing unexpected consequences that raise questions about the wider impact of such large installations, even though their capabilities are revolutionary.
The unit’s design is lightweight and versatile. The turbine’s generator, gearbox, and other vital parts are housed in this enormous nacelle. The turbine’s rotor diameter, which ranges from 260 to 292 meters (853 to 958 ft), is interesting. “A maximum swept area equivalent to nine soccer fields” is reportedly covered by this.
The largest turbine in history is turned on in China: It shouldn't be causing this
China turns on the biggest turbine in history. This shouldn't be the result of it. It has the potential to generate power for thousands of households.
www.eldiario24.com
On August 28, Mingyang Smart Energy, a maker of wind turbines, installed this 20 MW clean energy source. The turbine from Mingyang has been thoughtfully engineered to resist the wrath of typhoons and flourish at medium-to-high wind speeds. It’s interesting to note that it can tolerate winds of up to 79.8 m/s. It is definitely one of the strongest and best-built wind turbines so far.
Experts, however, are observing unexpected consequences that raise questions about the wider impact of such large installations, even though their capabilities are revolutionary.
The unit’s design is lightweight and versatile. The turbine’s generator, gearbox, and other vital parts are housed in this enormous nacelle. The turbine’s rotor diameter, which ranges from 260 to 292 meters (853 to 958 ft), is interesting. “A maximum swept area equivalent to nine soccer fields” is reportedly covered by this.
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Burning diesel extracted from Russia via India or Middle East, then shipped to Australia instead of local coal.. fighting GW step by step..
You know i could not care less about the actual CO2 emissions but at the very least, in term of efficiency, pollution, trade balance and destruction of rare resources, it is abysmal
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Well @Smurf1976 , it is all getting exciting now. Lol
As you predicted.
www.abc.net.au
AEMO said the ever growing output from solar was posing an increasing threat to the safety and security of the grid because it was pushing out all other forms of generation that were needed to help keep the system stable.
And it warned that unless it had the power to reduce – or curtail – the amount of rooftop solar times, more drastic and damaging measures would need to be taken.
These could include increasing the voltage levels in parts of the poles-and-wires network to "deliberately" trip or curtail small-scale solar in some areas.
The ability to restore the system following a black system event may also be compromised at times of very high distributed PV (rooftop solar) generation."
The term refers to the demand for power from the grid.
Necessarily, it excludes the demand that is met by rooftop solar panels — so-called behind-the-meter sources of supply that are provided by customers themselves.
As you predicted.
Market operator says emergency powers needed to switch off panels as solar tsunami 'threatens wipeout'
With the rise and rise of rooftop solar showing no signs of stopping in Australia, the market operator says "emergency" powers to control it are urgently needed.
www.abc.net.au
AEMO said the ever growing output from solar was posing an increasing threat to the safety and security of the grid because it was pushing out all other forms of generation that were needed to help keep the system stable.
And it warned that unless it had the power to reduce – or curtail – the amount of rooftop solar times, more drastic and damaging measures would need to be taken.
These could include increasing the voltage levels in parts of the poles-and-wires network to "deliberately" trip or curtail small-scale solar in some areas.
The ability to restore the system following a black system event may also be compromised at times of very high distributed PV (rooftop solar) generation."
The physics problem
At the heart of the concerns about Australia's occasional over-abundance of solar is a technical phenomenon known as minimum demand.The term refers to the demand for power from the grid.
Necessarily, it excludes the demand that is met by rooftop solar panels — so-called behind-the-meter sources of supply that are provided by customers themselves.
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Getting the power companies to subsidise batteries for rooftop solar owners might help ?Well @Smurf1976 , it is all getting exciting now. Lol
As you predicted.
Market operator says emergency powers needed to switch off panels as solar tsunami 'threatens wipeout'
With the rise and rise of rooftop solar showing no signs of stopping in Australia, the market operator says "emergency" powers to control it are urgently needed.
AEMO said the ever growing output from solar was posing an increasing threat to the safety and security of the grid because it was pushing out all other forms of generation that were needed to help keep the system stable.
And it warned that unless it had the power to reduce – or curtail – the amount of rooftop solar times, more drastic and damaging measures would need to be taken.
These could include increasing the voltage levels in parts of the poles-and-wires network to "deliberately" trip or curtail small-scale solar in some areas.
The ability to restore the system following a black system event may also be compromised at times of very high distributed PV (rooftop solar) generation."
The physics problem
At the heart of the concerns about Australia's occasional over-abundance of solar is a technical phenomenon known as minimum demand.
The term refers to the demand for power from the grid.
Necessarily, it excludes the demand that is met by rooftop solar panels — so-called behind-the-meter sources of supply that are provided by customers themselves.
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So that we get the suckers role again, can't wait!Pay solar panels, inverter, installation et maintenance/insurance then providers decide to charge us for the privilege of pushing power back...
Now customers will pay and install/ maintain batteries, will be too dumb to realise that when they buy and sell kwh, they are paying for a 10% capacity loss in the round trip, and will see their battery life shortened as a side effect of saving a few cents each day on paper.
Next we could be provided with exercise bikes and dynamo, and a very reasonable fitness fee
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Not sure what you are getting at there, but you know more about it than me.
Pay solar panels, inverter, installation et maintenance/insurance then providers decide to charge us for the privilege of pushing power back...
Now customers will pay and install/ maintain batteries, will be too dumb to realise that when they buy and sell kwh, they are paying for a 10% capacity loss in the round trip, and will see their battery life shortened as a side effect of saving a few cents each day on paper.
Next we could be provided with exercise bikes and dynamo, and a very reasonable fitness fee
If over-supply into the grid is the problem, isn't finding a way to store the excess part of the solution?
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Not when the customer pay for it at tetail price, get slugged a feeding/storage fee..you will agree that economy of scale would not make it sensible unless energy provider rip off the end customer
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Thats why I suggested the batteries be subsidised.
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A long time ago in Tasmania the Hydro used to set up a display at the Hobart Show each year filled with all sorts of contraptions for freezing your hands, making your hair stand on end, using your body as a battery, creating artificial lightning and so on.
Among those was an exercise bike hooked up to a translucent plastic tower with lights in it. The faster someone pedalled, the more lights turned on going up the tower - it topped out at 200 Watts from memory, which lit the rotating beacon up at the top of the tower.
A later version of the same thing used a treadmill set up the same way.
Generating power by cycling or running is as I recall rather exhausting. Couldn't keep that up for long.
